so many accomplishments almost every 24 to 36 hours there's another one since
he's become president all these little things hundreds of them people could go
through and see the media doesn't talk about those things do you see and the
media can spin up all these stories they want but what's funny about it the more
they do it the more Trump continues to rise well this coming the same day White
House press secretary Sarah Sanders got into a tense exchange with reporters
grilling her about the drafting of the Trump Tower memo and questioning her
credibility here's how she hit back watch frankly I think my credibility is
probably higher than the media's I think that if you spent a little bit more time
reporting the news instead of trying to tear me down you might actually see that
we're working hard trying to provide you good information and trying to provide
that same good information to the American people you know speaker there
has been talk recently about whether we even need White House press briefings
every day that maybe some of them should be in an office and not all televised
because it looks like some of the reporters might be doing a little
grandstanding I can't even imagine that look I advocated but the very beginning
of this administration that they just get rid of the whole thing really
here's what I mean when I say you're the whole thing you have a relatively small
number of reporters who are important because they're in the White House and
they're very precious and they sit around on top of each other all day and
deep down they resent the fact that their voice they're at the beck and call
of the president existed or just as much existed for at least I think since
Kennedy television my point just you know there are a thousand ways to
communicate with the American people you don't owe the American people having 50
or 60 women you have three or four clowns who insist on getting in fights
with her and they're only important because they get in fights with her on
social media because they can clip that piece of video and it becomes clickbait
and and look if anybody doesn't think that's happening check out some 12
point you know I understand that every politician wants to get their side of
the story out that that's a natural inclination I rolled my eyes when
Hillary Clinton did it and I don't think it's necessary here to have a website
for that the president has been very adept at using Twitter for that he's got
over 50 million Twitter followers and you know he essentially directs the
media wherever he wants them to go and I like these exchanges I like any sort of
an open forum where the ideas can get out I also like that I think Sarah
Sanders does a very good job at keeping us tight and swatting people down I
think she's got an incredibly difficult job and it's easy for certain people in
that room to gang up on her and I think you know her comportment is actually
much better than some of the people who preceded her not just in this
administration but in others but for the reason that she's there that long I
think speaks it to how good she's been they have it the reporters have every
right to ask about certain questions like that Don Jr meeting why were they
dishonest from the beginning I think the rates and balances is an important thing
but there's also something else going on and you make that point Speaker that
they are such a rush to find all the negative that the president is doing the
perfect example was April Ryan yesterday they threw this birthday bash when the
Eagles when he disinvited them from the White House on the South Lawn and she
tweeted out that they were a bunch of booze to the president she had to delete
that tweet because it wasn't accurate but in the moments that that tweet was
up there were thousands and thousands of retweets because people wanted to
believe that narrative they wanted to know that something was bad against the
person has a credibility problem that she should answer for all right we want
to break in with us now we knew that this was coming together Fox News has
confirmed that Alice Marie Johnson who was serving a life sentence for a
nonviolent drug crime her sentence has been commuted that is different than a
pardon in just the specific way that life sentence will wipe away and she
will go free however a pardon would have completely wiped away any conviction and
given her full forgiveness the president has been on kind of a roll for pardons
and the sort of thing I want to ask the speaker about this do we have time
before the commercial break okay speaker you're a response well I think that the
president has found something he likes to do that
proves the lives of people and that clearly is his constitutional authority
and I think that he takes a certain personal pleasure in being able to help
people now some media are writing that this is
after the visit of Kim Kardashian who was at the White House last week talking
about prison reform and about this sort of sentence saying imagine she yeah
exactly you're absolutely right and and she has every right to take one specific
issue and one specific person because the problem with celebrities is when
they go to broad and assume that everyone agrees their philosophy that's
and it's problematic she found one case that she championed and she's right
about this Alice Johnson going free on a non-violent drug offense the president
giving her a commutation we'll be right back
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five one two welcome back to outnumbered we have a brand new book to tell you
about authored by our very own welcome lucky guy Trump's America it is on sale
now it is number six on Amazon so log on and get it while it's hot for your
summer reading Newt Gingrich the author is there room in Trump's America for
people who did not vote for the president of course I mean first of all
all Americans are Americans however they vote even if they don't vote but the
real point of Trump's America is that there are huge achievements and underway
that the elite media doesn't particularly want to carry and that it's
important to recognize how many different fronts from conservative judge
ships to deregulation to the economy are really moving forward and then the
second half of the book is the great challenges it faces I mean but we only
scratch the surface of the level of reform we need to really get what we're
going to go and my hope is that trumps America will be part of the contribution
to that conversation this year what do you think the biggest thing people
misunderstand about the president cuz you know him so well I think two things
one he's really really smart and people don't understand that because his style
doesn't isn't what we think of as smart and two there's a huge difference
between Trump on big issues where he's amazingly stable and on little things
where he is just over the board and at least 10% I'm
hurting himself there's this very big difference in the
two ways he approaches things all right very good
the great Booker thank you so much from you on the couch today and I thought
lucky we've got more outnumbered in just a moment stay right here
thanks so much to Newt Gingrich all right what's your favorite part about
your book the fact that it talks about how America's becoming great again very
good and the great news is we are back right here tomorrow noon eastern and now
here's harris faulkner let's begin with what's developing this hour new
questions for James Comey ahead of a bombshell inspector general's report
will go out number two overtime now i'm harris faulkner
the Justice Department's internal watchdog has reportedly concluded former
FBI director James Comey defied Authority at times during the Hillary
Clinton email investigation what does that mean it is according to ABC News
which says the draft report explicitly uses the word insubordinate to describe
James commies behavior all this is fired deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe is
seeking immunity from the Senate Judiciary Committee in order to testify
on that inspector general's report we'll hear from a house from a member of House
Judiciary Committee congressman Matt gates in just a moment first I want to
get all the news that's been happening in the last hour or so chief
intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge breaks it all down Catherine
well thank you Harris Fox News is working to independently confirm that
report that the Inspector General did find evidence that former FBI director
James Comey was found to be insubordinate and went outside the chain
of command based on our ongoing reporting we understand one of the
primary episodes the Inspector General was investigating was his decision in
July of 2016 you see the event here where you did just a moment ago to
publicly announce the findings of the FBI investigation that used the code
acronym my E or mid-year exam and that he was recommending against criminal
charges that's the key development there because typically that decision would be
under the purview of the attorney Loretta Lynch but that was a
responsibility that your director Comey took upon himself also in a separate
development Fox News has obtained these congressional letters that show the
former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe who worked directly for James Comey
wants a special status if he testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee
later this month about that same Inspector General's
report this special status is called youths immunity and under those
conditions McCabe's testimony cannot be used
against him in a criminal prosecution that matters because the Inspector
General found that McCabe lied under oath and there was a criminal referral
to the US Attorney here in Washington DC for potential violations of 18 USC 1001
that's lying to federal investigators this morning a senior Senate Republican
who sits on the Judiciary Committee recommended against a deal to secure
McCabe's testimony we really need to get to the bottom of what happened at the
FBI during the Comey years where apparently
there was misconduct going on which i think is really important for sment
agency in the world and we need to clear the air and so I think giving mr. McCabe
cover through immunity would be a mistake
McCabe's lawyer said in a quote McCabe is willing to testify but because of the
criminal referral he must be afforded suitable legal protection adding that if
he were unable to get such a deal McCabe will have no choice but to invoke his
Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination based on the timing
this continues to be a very fluid situation as you know Harris there is a
date on the calendar for Monday next week for open public testimony in front
of the Senate Judiciary Committee that's the lead committee for the inspector
general's report but based on what we've learned in the last 24 hours it does
appear that that date is likely to slip yet again Harris well and we've seen
some delays Catherine and lawmakers that I've been talking with have said you
know they want a chance for that report to come out obviously before they would
hold that here and so they'll does a way to if I can just yeah just a warning
based on what we know it's a very lengthy report somewhere in the
neighborhood of 500 pages and people who sit on the
San Judiciary Committee field they need at least a couple of days to adequately
comb through the report they so they can add asked great questions for the
inspector general Horowitz and he can defend appropriately defend his findings
here ensure interesting 500 pages depending on how much of it leaks okay
right now we're wrong nothing and I just if I could say one other thing on that I
I think that's pretty significant because we're in a phase right now where
the principal's who cooperated are allowed to review the findings and then
make their case or their best argument against what the conclusions are I think
one of the key things is that we haven't had a lot of leaks about the findings
and the parties who would have that information may feel that it's pretty
damaging and they're trying to you know shape the outcome to the extent they can
with their version of what happened it's very interesting I'm gonna bring it up
with my first guest Catherine great well thank you
Republican congressman Matt Gaetz of Florida sits on the House Judiciary
Committee boy this story has come together quickly and Catherine Harridge
and I you may have heard we're just talking about the leaks that helped
bring this about let's start with the word insubordinate
that apparently that we've learned about James Comey through these leaks
insubordinate from that inspector general's report what do you make of it
well I am eager to discuss that Harris but first if you'll afford me a
privilege I am the son of a military brat and in my district we have more
members of the active-duty military than any other congressional district in
America and your new book will ring true in their lives and I just wanted to
thank you for it how military brats can meet challenges and adversity with grit
and determination it really is going to be special for my family and for so many
families in my district as it relates to mr. Comey obviously we've seen
circumstances where he's exceeded his authority we also can't make sense of
his public testimony that he had not made a decision on the Hillary Clinton
investigation until after conducting the key elements of that investigation later
we find out that drafts of his exoneration statement were done earlier
but look at Washington DC was the swamp and
McCabe might be the Loch Ness monster of the swamp and when we look at what he's
doing now I mean Andrew McCabe is literally asking for immunity before
testifying under oath so that he's not prosecuted for a whys that he told
previously while testifying under oath I think it would be outrageous for us to
grant any type of use of immunity to mr. McCabe I think he needs to account for
his actions and I don't think that he's out of the woods yet as far as a
criminal prosecution well first of all thank you for the comments on the
military brats in my book I'm very grateful
III do want to talk though about this idea and I wrote it down you said McCabe
might be the Loch Ness monster of the swamp why do you think it is he would
try to put himself in a position where he could talk without immunity if he had
planned to tell that I mean has he been dishonest is there a reason why he'd be
seeking it well Andrew McCabe is a proud guy that doesn't make him an honest guy
I was in the room when he gave testimony behind closed doors to the House
Judiciary Committee and I could tell you my reaction to that was that this is
someone who wasn't purely engaged in the investigative work of the FBI he was
trying to shape public opinion remember Harris what the substance of
the lies were about he was leaking to The Wall Street Journal about the nature
of the Hillary Clinton investigation wanting to shape public opinion and so
Andrew McCabe may want to testify to again try to shape public opinion but we
should not give him immunity because my goodness this was the very
person who sent the email taking the jurisdiction away from the Washington DC
field office and bringing it to the rest of the swamp creatures and deep state
folks at the headquarters of the FBI I think we ought to stand with the front
line FBI folks and empower them not empower the bureaucrats that want to
shave public opinion through leaks you know you talk about Andrew McCabe as the
guy who might have some answers though because remember when James Comey first
came out on his book door we learned from a cave that they maybe weren't in
agreeance about what really happened with going to the media and leaking
things perma cave that he said his boss knew all about that so are you missing
an opportunity by not offering him that that special status of immunity to have
him turn on his boss potentially with some information that you might need
well I don't want to make the same mistakes the Obama Justice Department
made remember the Obama Justice Department gave these broad immunity
deals to Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson those folks who were key
Hillary Clinton allies so we want to get away from that environment so that we
could truly hold people accountable we're gonna have to get to the emails
and I want to specifically know who told Andrew McCabe to send the email telling
the Washington DC field office to stop working on the Hillary Clinton
investigation was that James Comey was it Andrew McCabe himself did it have
something to do with his wife's campaign for political office so we do still need
answers but we shouldn't be trading immunity to get those answers that was
the mistake of the Obama Justice Department look at congressman I know
it's across chambers but we are waiting to see what's going to happen with that
Senate Judicial Committee hearing and just to give you a last word on this
this is getting pushed back yet again that inspector general's report
I know it's leaking will you get an opportunity to see that before everybody
else I shared the president's concern that the actual substance of the report
has likely been written for some time now you may have people trying to sand
off the rough edges and make it look like the conduct was more acceptable
than it should have been so the president expressed that concern in his
tweet yesterday based on some of my own sources I share that concern and that's
why we're pushing to get the information out in the public as soon as possible
and if people are behind the scenes changing the substance of that report we
will find them remember we caught the folks who changed the hillary clinton
exoneration statement and if there are folks that are engaged in that improper
behavior we'll catch them again congressman Matt Gaetz the great state
of Florida thank you very much and again thank you for your kind words about my
new book appreciate thank you Harris so for more on the many legal angles here
let's bring in Fred TC former federal prosecutor and former assistant US
attorney general and the criminal division my first question for you with
regard to all of this is insubordinate a legal term you know it depends on how he
was insubordinate I mean I think if I have the FBI so right right
so if his insubordination was that he broke the law and leaked things that he
shouldn't have or did things that he shouldn't have then the answer is yes
it's a legal term it's an euphemism for he broke the law in my opinion all right
I I'm watching out of the corner of my eye and we may pop this up on the screen
- we've been waiting for a White House press briefing by Larry Kudlow and when
that happens talking about the economics of the g7 summit we'll go to that live
so let me just get that in there real good right so yep you know Fred when you
look at all of the Inspector General's report and week haven't seen it yet
just stuff is coming out and leaking what are you as a legal professional
looking for well I'm looking for a lot of things I mean minoo at a federal
prosecutor one of the things you don't want to do is give immunity if you can
avoid it because it really hurts you I mean I had a case involving two fAA
officials in an entire airline and we had to give immunity but you don't want
to give immunity until you know what's going on so the answer to your question
is what I'm looking for from the IG report is what are the facts what are
the information I need any type of prosecutor needs to make a reasoned
decision because you know what Harris what's the endgame in my opinion the
endgame should be to make sure that people stand accountable and are
prosecuted to the full extent of law if they broke the law and how complicated
is it for that accountability because we don't see it a lot in our federal
government so you see the chasing of the facts right now the Inspector General
seems to be able to multitask he's also looking at the Hillary Clinton
investigation so on and so forth right and so you know what Harris I mean it
part of my frustration over years is is is it seems to me and I think it seems
to a lot of outside observers that maybe the law is not getting followed and that
needs to end I mean the public has to have confidence in the DOJ and the FBI
when I was a fellow prosecutor you know proudest day in my life was when I put
my hand on the Bible and became a prosecutor and my job is to uphold the
law irrespective of my political convictions and the FBI that I worked
with I never saw any of this stuff kind of these allegations that you're seeing
so so the endgame takes on a couple of things and the prosecution people need
to be held accountable for what they did not from a political standpoint there's
no room for politics in any of this on either side there's the law
and there's the conduct of the people that engage in activities that may have
broken the law and there's justice to be answer to those are what count Fred does
what we are learning and again this is drip drip because it's it's being like
the report so we're gonna have to wait another few days potentially even next
week before we know all of it or or might we may never know all of it but
we're hoping to know all of it so my question to you now is with this
inspector general's report do we wipe away the thought of a second Special
Counsel to look into things like how the Hillary Clinton investigation into that
private server when she was Secretary of State how that came about if there were
any laws broken I mean does this answer back is this IG doing a good enough job
or a deep enough job just from what we've seen on the surface you know this
ID has a tremendous reputation so far the reports that I've seen from him are
fair and balanced to coin a term you know the question is what are the facts
and as you say we don't have all the facts but I only have half the facts and
the surefire way to get in trouble is to go forward with half the facts we've
already seen that in one Inspector General's report you know one one
special prosecutor's appointment I am personally loath to see special
prosecutors get appointed but you know at some point we've got to return the
confidence in the public and the transparency in these institutions and
if getting a special prosecutor one who's above reproach to come in and do
the right job and do that and and make sure that people are held accountable
for what happened that would go a long way to to saving the reputation such as
it is of the DOJ and the FBI at this point all right ahead of that report
again we are looking at leaks how much does that complicate because sometimes
it can start a narrative about a certain situation as an attorney I know you
don't like to see things leak but but when you look at this what does it
really do to the evidence in a case and I call it a case because that's what
we're looking at right we are looking at occasion and and it compromises your
ability to prosecute a case I mean again these leaks are driven by political
people with political ambitions that's the only reason to leak things I mean
the federal grand jury rules requires secrecy now put aside whether or not
we're we're talking about indictments anything
like that will succeed the federal rules of Criminal Procedure make it very very
clear you're not to leak anything and and I will tell you and every person in
law enforcement will tell you that leach don't help the investigation in any way
shape or form they tip off people in the way the prosecutors and the
investigators may be going they do a lot of really bad things that's why by the
way it's against the law to leak this stuff and so it troubles me when I see
it Fred TC we appreciate your perspective and legal
counsel if you will honest thank you very much
Ayers thank you very much for having have a great day president Trump is
celebrating last night Super Tuesday primaries especially John Cox win the
candidate he endorsed for California governor what does it mean for the
November midterm elections we'll break it down stay close now John Cox just
simply ran on repealing the gasoline tax which the initiatives on the ballot
would he helped put on I I want to see how the Democrats defend that when they
even got recalled over it
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