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GOOD AFTERNOON.
HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING?
STAYING HOME, I HOPE.
I AM MICHAEL BARR.
I AM THE DEAN OF GERALD R. FORD
SCHOOL OF PUBLIC POLICY.
I'M REALLY THRILLED TO SEE
ALL OF YOU HERE THIS AFTERNOON AND
TO WELCOME YOU HERE FOR THE GILL
ULMAN AND MARTHA DARLING HEALTH
POLICY FUND LECTURE AT THE FORD
SCHOOL.
THIS TALK IS ON ONE OF THE MOST
PRESSING ISSUES FACING OUR
COUNTRY, GUN VIOLENCE.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE FOLKS
OUTSIDE ANNE ARBOR WANTING TO
VIEW.
A SPECIAL WELCOME TO THOSE
WATCHING ONLINE.
THE LECTURESHIP, EVENT WE ARE HAVING
TODAY IS FUNDED BY GILL ULMAN,
WHO JUST WALKED IN, AND MARTHA
DARLING.
AND WE ARE JUST DEEPLY GRATEFUL
FOR THEIR SUPPORT WHICH PROVIDES
FUNDING FOR HEALTH POLICY
FACULTY AND OUTREACH ACTIVITIES
HERE AT THE FORD SCHOOL.
AND THE FORD SCHOOL IS ABLE
THROUGH THIS FUNDING TO ADDRESS
A SPECTRUM OF HEALTH POLICY
ISSUES.
I WANT TO PAUSE AND THANK GILL
FOR BEING HERE.
[APPLAUSE]
>> UNFORTUNATELY MASS SHOOTINGS
HAVE BECOME A REGULAR STORY.
LAST FEW WEEKS, NINE INCIDENTS
OF GUN VIOLENCE, FIVE OR MORE
INJURED OR SADLY KILLED.
TODAY WE HAVE DISTINGUISHED A
PANEL OF EXPERTS TO DISCUSS GUN
VIOLENCE.
PAULA LANCE ASSOCIATE DEAN AND
PROFESSOR OF HEALTH MANAGEMENT
AND POLICY AT THE SCHOOL OF
PUBLIC HEALTH WILL INTRODUCE
PANELIST AND MODERATE A
PROVOCATIVE CONVERSATION.
A WORD ON FORMAT.
WE'LL HAVE TIME TOWARD THE END
FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
P. TWO FORD SCHOOL STUDENTS
MARIA AND STEPHEN WILL SIFT
THROUGH QUESTION CARDS AND POSE
THEM TO THE PANEL.
YOU'LL SEE THE CARDS TO FILL OUT
QUESTIONS DURING THE COURSE OF
THE EVENT.
THOSE OF YOU WATCHING ONLINE,
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS USING
#POLICYTALKS.
WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU BOTH IN
THE ROOM TODAY AND THOSE
WATCHING ONLINE.
LET ME NOW TURN THE PODIUM OVER
TO PAULA LANCE.
[APPLAUSE]
>> HI EVERYONE, WELCOME, THANKS
FOR JOINING US TODAY.
LET ME SET THE STAGE WITH BIT.
IN PUBLIC POLICY, WE CONSIDER
FRAMING OR HOW ISSUES ARE BEING
DEFINED, SHAPED AND TALKED ABOUT
BOTH IN TERMS OF HOW PROBLEMS
ARE DEFINED AND HOW POLICY
RESPONSES ARE GOING TO TRY TO
ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS.
TT U.S., MULTIPLE COMPETING
FRAMES IN THE U.S. AND WHAT TO
DO ABOUT IT.
THIS INCLUDES THAT THE MAIN
UNDERLYING PROBLEM IS VIOLENCE.
GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM,
VIOLENT PEOPLE AND VIOLENT
COMMUNITIES ARE THE PROBLEM.
MAIN PROBLEM IS THERE ARE TOO
MANY GUNS.
GUNS ARE TOO EASY TO GET AND TOO
MANY PEOPLE HAVE THEM.
DIFFERENT FRAME IS NO, TOO MANY
BAD PEOPLE HAVE GUNS, CRIMINALS,
PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES.
ANOTHER FRAME, GOOD PEOPLE ARE
NOT ARMED ENOUGH TO PROTECT
THEMSELVES AND THEIR PROPERTY.
MAIN PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DON'T
FOLLOW THE LAWS WE ALREADY HAVE.
WE DON'T NEED NEW LAWS JUST
BETTER ENFORCEMENT.
ANOTHER FRAME, PROBLEM IS WE
HAVE A LOT OF THE OF PUBLIC
POLICIES THAT MOSTLY DON'T WORK
AND IN FACT HAVE UNEQUAL AND
RESTRICTIVE BURDENS PLACED ON
PEOPLE SOMETIME ON RACE.
U.S. CONSTITUTION GIVES EVERYONE
THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.
GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO PROTECT THAT
RIGHT FIRST AND FOREMOST.
AGAIN MANY COMPETING FRAMES.
WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE
A GROUP OF EXPERTS TO DISCUSS
THIS COMPLEX TOPIC.
HONORED TO INTRODUCE THEM ALL TO
YOU.
THRILLED TO INTRODUCE JANE BACK
TO CAMPUS.
AFTER ATTENDING UNIVERSITY OF
MICHIGAN AS AN UNDERGRADE.
SHE IS NOW A SENIOR POLITICS
REPORTER AT VOX AND WRITES ON A
WIDE RANGE OF ISSUES CONSERVE
TIFF POLITICS, PROFESSIONAL
SPORTS AND RACEST HISTORY OF GUN
CONTROL IN THE UNITED STATES.
NEXT DR. REBECCA CUNNINGHAM.
HERE AT THE FORD SCHOOL TODAY,
EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN DR.
CUNNINGHAM IS PROFESSOR OF
PUBLIC HEALTH AND ALSO HAS TIME
TO BE THE DIRECTOR OF THE
UNIVER
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN INJURY
PREVENTION CENTER.
SPECIAL FOCUS ON INJURY FROM
FIREARM VIOLENCE AND OPIOID AND
OTHER DRUG OVERDOSE.
VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE DR.
JONATHAN METZEL.
DOCTOR IS AT VANDERBILT
UNIVERSITY WHERE HE IS THE
FREDRICK B. WRENCHLER THE SECOND
AND DIRECTOR OF MEDICINE, HEALTH
AND SOCIETY.
BOARD CERTFIED PSYCHOLOGIST.
EXPERT ON MENTAL ILLNESS, HEALTH
INEQUITIES AND GUN VIOLENCE.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT NATIONAL NEWS
TV PROGRAM, YOU HAVE LIKELY SEEN
HIM ON THAT SHOW.
I SEE YOU AT THE GYM QUITE A
BIT, ACTUALLY.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING OUR
DISTINGUISHED PANELISTS TODAY.
[APPLAUSE]
SO WE ARE GOING TO START OUT
JUST BY HAVING OUR PANELIST TALK
OUR THEIR OWN WORK, SOME OF THE
WORK THEY HAVE DONE AND GIVE
THEM A CHANCE TO LAY OUT FOR ALL
OF US HOW THEY SEE THIS ISSUE
AND WHAT -- YOU HAVE FIVE
MINUTES, WHAT THEY WANT US TO
KNOW ABOUT THEM AND HOW THEY
WORK AND THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE
AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THIS
DISCUSSION, WE ARE GOING TO
START WITH JANE.
>> HI, EVERYONE, NICE TO BE
BACK.
FUNNY TO HAVE GRADUATED 10 YEARS
AGO, WALKING AROUND AND BTB
BURRITOS IS STILL HERE.
MY WORK IS FOCUSSED ON GUN
VIOLENCE FROM A LEGAL AND
JOURNALISTIC ISSUE NOT SO MUCH
AS PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE.
A LOT OF MY WRITING FOCUSES ON
CONSERVATISM AND GOP
SPECIFICALLY ABOUT GUN RIGHTS.
I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT GUN RIGHTS
AND WHO HAS ACCESS.
I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THE RACIST
HISTORY OF GUN CONTROL WHICH IN
ANY WAYS YOU SEE IN THE
ANTEBELLUM SOUTH AND JIM CROW.
YOU HAD FIGURES LIKE HARRIET
TUBMAN WISELY RECOGNIZED A
WINCHESTER RIFLE WAS THE ONLY
THING THAT STOOL BETWEEN THEM.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
MILFORD ACT BANNED OPEN CARRY OF
WEAPONS IN CALIFORNIA SET IN
PLACE BY THEN GOVERNOR RONALD
REAGAN WHO SAW THE BLACK
PANTHERS PROTESTING HOLDING LONG
GUNS.
THAT JUST CAN'T HAPPEN.
I THINK HAVING THE HISTORICAL
CONTEXT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GUNS
AND GUN VIOLENCE IS SOMETHING
REAL LE IMPORTANT TO ME.
ALSO AND THE CONVERSATIONS I
HAVE WITH CONSERVATIVES.
ALSO I THINK WE ARE GOING TO
TALK ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT.
WHEN YOU TALK TO CONSERVATIVES
AND LEGAL SCHOLARS, PUBLIC
POLICY ON GUNS NEEDS TO FIT INTO
A NARROW SPACE CREATED BY THE
UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
INTO THAT SPACE IS WHERE PUBLIC
POLICY ON GUNS NEEDS TO BE.
I THINK PUTTING IT INTO THAT
FRAMEWORK IS HELPFUL.
IT IS ALSO REALLY DEPRESSING,
OTHER COUNTRIES MAY HAVE HAVE
MASSIVE GUN BUY BACK PROGRAMS.
OKAY, THOSE OTHER COUNTRIES ARE
NOT THIS ONE.
WE NEED TO ABIDE BY THE
FRAMEWORK SET UP WE HAVE NOW OR
WE NEED TO CHANGE THE
CONSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK AND
THERE IS A PROCESS BY WHICH WE
CAN DO THAT AND WELCOME YOU TO
TRY.
KEEPING HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR
DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE, WHAT
ACCESS TO GUNS IS MEANT AND WHAT
THAT ACCESS HAS LOOKED LIKE ON A
DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
ALSO WRECK NIEZ -- RECOGNIZING
TO GUIDE US FORWARD ON WHAT
POLICIES NOT SO MUCH WORK OR
DON'T BUT ARE POSSIBLE OR
IMPOSSIBLE.
>> GREAT, THANK YOU.
REBECCA.
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE FUN.
[LAUGHTER] I AM AN EMERGENCY
PHYSICIAN BY TRAINING.
ALSO WITH PUBLIC HEALTH
BACKGROUND.
AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE INJURY
PREVENTION CENTER HERE, I BRING
THE FRAME OF FIREARMS -- NOT
THOUGHT OF TO BE THE OTHER
MECHANISMS OF INJURY WE HAVE
SPEND TIME ON, MOTOR VEHICLE TO
FIRE, BURN TO OPIOIDS.
I ALSO BRING AS A PRACTICING
PHYSICIAN THAT HAS TAKEN CARE OF
PATIENTS HERE AND IN FLINT,
MICHIGAN AT THE BEDSIDE GIVING
BAD NEWS TO PARENTS AND FAMILY.
I BRING TO THIS THE FRAME OF
HAND OUT THAT SHOWS THE TRENDS
OF DEATH OVER TIME.
WE LOOK AT THE DEATH RATES
PASSED 10-15 YEARS, FIREARMS ARE
THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF
DEATH AMONG CHILDREN AND TEENS
IN OUR COUNTRY, 1-19 AS OF 2017,
IT IS AGES 1-17.
WE ARE NOT ALLOWING THE CHILDREN
IN OUR COUNTRY TO BE 18 YEAR
OLDS.
WE ARE CUTTING OFF ABOUT
LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IF YOU
ARE A TEENAGER REGARDLESS, YOUR
MECHANISM OF DEATH IS MOST
LIKELY TO BE FIREARM.
IF YOU ARE NOT WHITE, MOST
LIKELY THING YOU WILL DIE OF
AFTER I RELEASE YOU WILL BE A
FIREARM BEFORE YOUR 18TH
BIRTHDAY.
THAT IS THE FRAMING I BRING.
I HAVE A MUCH MORE INTERESTED
VIEW.
THAT IS A NARROW NICHE FOR THE
CONSTITUTION AT ALL.
ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS A
MILE WIDE.
FRAMING I BRING TO THIS WITH
FIREARM, SAFETY WITH TEEN C
CONS
CONSORTION.
WE HAVE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND
FOCUSSED ON THE FACT WE HAVE
SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS IN THIS
COUNTRY AND SO MUCH WE COULD DO
WITHIN THOSE SECOND AMENDMENT
RIGHTS WE HAVEN'T BEGIN TO TRY
TO DO.
BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF ATTENTION
AND HOW MUCH OF THIS TOPIC HAS
BEEN A THIRD RAIL.
WE DO NOT -- WE HAVE CARS IN
THIS COUNTRY, I AM NOT GOING
BACK TO ANY HORSE AND BUGGY.
WE HAVE MORE CARS AND MILES
DRIVEN.
PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO SOMETHING
AT THE BED SIDES AND PUBLIC
HEALTH ON THIS TOPIC.
>> THANK YOU EVERYONE, SUCH A
PLEASURE TO COME BACK HOME.
I WANT TO THANK GILL.
I UNDERSTAND WHY I AM SITTING IN
THE MIDDLE.
I AM A FRAME SHIFTER IN A WAY.
I DON'T EVER ADOPT ONE FRAME.
I HAVE HAD THREE MAJOR FRAMES.
I STARTED OFF MY ENGAGEMENT WITH
THIS ISSUE OF GUNS AND GUN
RIGHTS WHEN I WAS HERE AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN.
I WROTE A BOOK PROTEST PSYCHOSIS
AND THE WAYS THE ANGRY BLACK MAN
BECAME A MEDICALIZED THREAT
THROUGH JAMES BROWN AND MALCOM
XALL THE SUDDEN THEY WERE SEEN
AS INSANE.
PART OF THE STORY IS A STORY
ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN BLACK
MEN TRIED TO ACCESS GUN RIGHTS.
WE HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT
OURSELVES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD A REASON TO
PROTECT THEMSELVES, POLITICAL
LEADERS LIKE ROBERT WILLIAMS AND
NAACP, CAROLINAS, MALCOM X.
PEOPLE WERE SAYING THE POLICE
AREN'T PROTECTING US.
WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT
TO PROTECT OURSELVES AND
GOVERNMENT IS TYRANNICAL.
WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THESE BLACK
POLITICAL LEADERS TRIED TO
ACCESS RIGHTS, FULL WEIGHT OF
THE GOVERNMENT CAME DOWN ON
THEM.
THEY WERE ALL DIAGNOSED WITH
SCHIZOPHRENIA.
WILLIAMS WAS CHASEED TO CUBA.
RELATIONSHIP GUN RIGHTS AND GUN
CONTROL.
ALSO WHAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA
W
WITH BLACK PEN THEY ARES.
SECOND PHASE OF MY CAREER WAS
ALL OF A SUDDEN, STAND YOUR
GROUND SHOOTING IN FLORIDA.
ZIMMERMAN AND TRAYVON MARTIN
AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BLACK BOYS
AND MEN ARE SEEN AS THREATS.
SOME HOW LED INTO ME GETTING
CALLED AS A PSYCHIATRIST INTO
EVERY MASS SHOOTING.
I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THE
GYM.
I ENJOY THIS MSNBC TO FOX NEWS
AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
I BECAME A VOICE ABOUT THIS
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GUNS AND
ME
MENTAL ILLNESS.
I STARTED GOING ON MEDIA, SAME
STIGMAIZATIONS HAPPENING AROUND
AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN GETTING
APPLIED TO PEOPLE WITH MENTAL
ILLNESS.
I THINK THERE ARE REAL STORIES
WE NEED TO TELL AFTER MASS
SHOOTINGS.
HERE IS MENTAL ILLNESS AND HERE
IS MASS SHOOTING.
WHAT I TRIED TO ARGUE IS THERE
ARE ALL THESE OTHER STORIES THAT
PLAY OUT IN MASS SHOOTINGS, GUN
AC
ACCESS, WHO GETS TO CARRY A GUN
AND STOCK PILE A GUN.
I STARTED DOING A LOT OF THE OF
MEDIA.
THIS MEDIA STORY TOOK OFF.
I ENDED UP GETTING INTERESTED IN
GUNS AND POLITICS.
TRANSITION ING -- SAFE TENNESSEE
PROJECT.
SIMILARLY, BIPARTISAN POLICY
INSTITUTE THAT FORMS CENTRIST
BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS ABOUT
REASONABLE GUN REFORM.
>> I AM SO HEARTENED BY THE
EXISTENCE OF THIS.
>> WE STARTED WITH LOW HANGING
FRUIT.
WE HAD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR
PARTICULAR BILLS.
VERY LAST MINUTE, NRA LOBBYIST
AND KEEP US FROM FORMING ANY
CONSENSUS.
SECOND LESSON I LEARNED ABOUT
THE FORCES THAT WANT TO KEEP US
THINKING EITHER PROOR ANTI.
FORCES THAT BENEFIT FROM KEEPING
US POLARIZED.
THEN I'LL SAY.
LAST PART IS A SCHOLARLY PART.
I HAVE A BOOK COMING OUT IN A
COUPLE OF MONTHS, BACK IN
MICHIGAN IN APRIL.
I AM FROM MISSOURI.
I WENT THROUGH RURAL MISSOURI
TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT
GUNS MEANT TO THEM AND SCOURGE
OF WHITE MALE SUICIDE.
WHEN I DIDN'T USE CHARGE WORDS
LIKE GUN CONTROL OR GUN RIGHTS,
I FOUND A MUCH MORE NUANCED-RICH
PICTURE.
I AM FOR NRA BUT FOR A GUN SAFE
OR GUN LOCK.
I WANT TO KEEP MY COMMUNITY
SAFE.
I DEVELOPED FRUSTRATION ABOUT
HOW POLARIZATION IS ENFORCED.
AND PEOPLE BENEFIT FROM THE
POLARIZATION.
IF I COULD SAY ONE LAST THING.
IT IS TO ADD -- LEAD INTO THE
NEXT.
ANOTHER THING I LEARNED FROM
THIS THING LIKE THE
CONSTITUTION, THE SECOND
AMENDMENT, DOCUMENT HASN'T
ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME.
MULTIPLE REINTERPRETATIONS, WE
ARE ABOUT TO SEE ANOTHER ONE.
IN A WAY POLITICAL SHIFTS ABOUT
HOW WE INTERPRET SECOND
AMENDMENT THAT ARE PART OF THE
ISSUE.
>> THAT WAS GREAT.
ACTUALLY, YOU ALL TOUCHED A BIT
ON THE NEXT THING WE WANT TO
TALK ABOUT.
THAT IS DO YOU THINK FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ARE THE WAYS
IN WHICH THIS ISSUE ARE TALKED
ABOUT ARE THE MOST UNPRODUCTIVE
THAT YOU WISH THE MEDIA WOULD
STOP DOING OR ADVOCACY GROUPS OR
POLICY MAKERS?
WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE
MOST PRODUCTIVE WAYS TO HAVE
THESE CONVERSATIONS AND ACTUALLY
MOVE CONVERSATION AND
POTENTIALLY POLICY ACTION
FORWARD, REBECCA?
>> YOU SET THIS UP BEAUTIFULLY
FOR ME.
POLARIZATION IS NOT NECESSARY.
SOLUTIONS ARE MUCH MORE NUANCED
THAN MANY FORCES WOULD BELIEVE.
IF YOU CAN WALK AWAY FROM ONE
THING.
IF YOU CAN NEVER WRITE ONE THING
AGAIN, GUN CONTROL NEEDS TO BE
ELIMINATED FROM OUR LANGUAGE.
BACK TO MY HISTORICAL ROOTS, IF
I TOLD YOU I WAS GOING TO TALK
TO YOU ABOUT CAR CONTROL.
THERE IS NO HEALTH BEHAVIOR
TECHNIQUE TELLING PEOPLE YOU ARE
GOING TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT
CONTROLLING THEM.
IT IS A FRAME THAT IS NOT
PARTICULARLY HELPFUL AT ALL.
NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY WE
THINK OF INJURY PREVENTION
SCIENCE WHICH IS A SCIENCE IN
ANY OTHER FRAMEWORK.
WE THINK ABOUT SAFETY.
WE ARE FIRE ALARM SAFETY.
WITH THAT FRAME, YOU
AUTOMATICALLY START WITH A
COMMON UNDERSTANDING, GUNS ARE
GOING TO EXIST IN OUR CULTURE.
CARS ARE GOING TO EXIST.
TOGETHER WE HAVE TO WORK HOW
THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE
MORE SAFE AND LESS CHILDREN
DEAD, FOR EXAMPLE.
WHEN WE TALK WITH STAKEHOLDERS
ACROSS POLITICAL SPECTRUM AS
WELL.
I HAVE YET TO FIND A SINGLE NRA
GUN MEMBER WHO SAYS HE WOULD
LIKE HIS GRANDCHILD TO END UP
DEAD FROM A GUN.
WE ALL AGREE WE WOULD NOT LIKE
CHILDREN AND TEENS DYING
INADVERTENTLY.
WE THINK ABOUT A SAFETY FRAME.
THAT IS MY STICK ON FRAME
CHANGE.
>> THANK YOU.
FOR THE BOOK I HAVE OUT, I SPOKE
TO PEOPLE THAT HAD CHILDREN DIE
THAT ARE PROGUNS, THEY WERE THE
SAME AFTER.
YOU TOUCHED ON THE PRESSING
ISSUE FROM OUR TIME.
FUCH, FUCH SO MUCH HARDER.
OTHER PEOPLE MORTIFIED AT THE
SITE
OF THE GUN.
IF YOU GIVE AN INCH YOU'LL GIVE
A YARD.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DO FEEL
IN THE GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION
COMMUNITY, THERE IS A MOVE TO
SAYING THE SECOND AMENDMENT
EXISTS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE
AWAY ANYBODY'S GUNS.
IF I AGREE ON SOMETHING I
ACTUALLY MAYBE AGREE ON I'LL
GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, LAS VEGAS
SHOOTING, SHOOTER USED A BUMP
STOCK.
TURNS SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPON INTO
AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON.
I DON'T KNOW IF MANY PEOPLE THAT
HAVE EATEN DINNER WITH A BUMP
STOCK.
NO REAL HUNTING REASON TO HAVE A
BUMP IS TO BE STOCK.
PEOPLE SAD I CAN SEE BUMP
STOCKS, BUT THERE WAS A FEAR
GIVING UP AN INCH WAS TO GIVE UP
THE WHOLE FARM.
THAT IS PART OF THE ISSUE THAT
FRAMES LIKE PUBLIC HEALTH HAVE
HAD A HARD TIME ACCOUNTING FOR.
THERE ARE FRAMES LIKE DANIEL
WEBSTER AND GROUP FROM JOHN'S
HOPKINS WENT INTO MISSOURI.
FOUND OUT A PARTICULAR BILL IN
MISSOURI PASSED IN 2008 LED TO A
WHOLE HOST OF OTHER CHANGES AND
ARGUMENT IS THEY SHOULD GO BACK
TO EARLIER LAWS AND IMPLEMENT
GUN CONTROL.
THEY NEVER ASKED THE PEOPLE WHAT
DOES YOUR GUN MEAN TO YOU?
IT WAS IMMEDIATELY REJECTED BY
PEOPLE LIKE LOT AND OTHERS THAT
WRITE PRO-GUN POLICIES.
IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT
STUDYING GUN POLICY.
INTERESTING TO SEE THE DIFFERENT
RESPONSES AND THE WAY IT IS
FRAMED.
I THINK THAT IS A PROBLEM.
IT IS A PROBLEM TO BE ADDRESSED.
WE ALSO NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO
WHO IS KEEPING US POLARIZED.
AM I OVER TIME ALREADY?
THE TWO FRAMES I NEED TO THINK
ABOUT GOING FORWARD.
TIES TO THE ISSUES PEOPLE TALKED
ABOUT ALREADY, RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN ACTIVISM, WE ARE SEEING
GUN ACTIVISM.
MOMS DEMAND AND GROUPS LIKE
THAT.
PARKLAND ISSUE -- SHOOTING.
THAT IS GOING TO INFLUENCE HOW
PEOPLE OWN, CARRY, TRANSPORT,
BUY, THINK ABOUT GUNS IN THIS
COUNTRY.
PART OF THE ISSUE IS THERE IS
THE ACTIVISM REALM AND ACADEMIC
REALM.
I THINK AT THE JUDGE LEVEL.
THERE IS NOT THE SAME LEVEL.
>> EXACTLY.
I WOULD SAY GOING OFF OF THAT.
I AM THE PERSON HERE FROM THE
MEDIA.
I AM NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
THE MEDIA.
I WOULD NEED TO CONSULT A WHOLE
LOT OF PEOPLE.
YOU MENTIONED THE PEOPLE
VORSHACK TEST.
WE USED THE IDEA OF GUNS.
CERTAIN GROUPS THAT REALLY KIND
OF WANT YOU TO DO THAT.
I HAVE DONE A TON OF REPORTING
ON THE NRA AND ITS CURRENT
FINANCIAL SITUATION WHICH IS NOT
GRE
GREAT.
ONCE THEY BECAME IN THE 1970S,
IT WAS A SPORTSMAN'S
ORGANIZATION.
YOU WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND
HUNT BUCK, DEER.
THIS IS THE ORGANIZATION FOR
YOU.
IT TURNED INTO A -- I THINK THIS
IS SOMETHING PEOPLE SAID IT IS A
NEW THING, IT IS NOT NEW HOW THE
NRA HAS SEEN GUNS AS A CULTURAL
ISSUE.
WE SAW THIS IN THE EARLY 1990S,
NRA DESCRIBED THE FBI AS JACK
BOOTED THUGS CAUSING FORMER
PRESIDENT H.W. BUSH TO RESIGN S.
FOR ONE THING KIND OF REMOVES
INTERESTING, TENSION.
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF THEY
WERE LIKE TO RESPOND TO GAY
BASHING PERHAPS -- CERTAIN
SUPREME COURT CASES DEUCEY VS.
HELLER.
THAT WAS ABOUT THE ISSUE OF
AFRICAN-AMERICAN GUN OWNERS AND
HOW THEY CAN BE OWNED IN THE
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE
SPECIFICS OF BUMP STOCKS WHICH
IS A FASCINATING ISSUE.
THAT IS WHY THIS PARTICULAR
ADMINISTRATION HAS MOVED AWAY
FROM THE POSITION.
GUN RIGHTS COMMUNITY IS SUING
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OVER
THE BUMP STOCK BAND.
IT IS INTERESTING HOW THIS
CONVERSATION HAS BECOME A
POLITICAL ONE A LOT OF THE OF
WAYS DIDN'T NEED TO BE.
YOU WERE TALK ABOUT THAT
ENFORCED POLARIZATION.
WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT FOR
EXAMPLE, CHILD ACCESS PREVENTION
LAWS --
THE AGE AT WHICH
EVERYBODY IS APPLICABLE IS
INSANELY LOW.
IF YOU ARE A CHILD UNDER THE AGE
OF 11, AND YOU USE A GUN TO DO
SOMETHING THEN YOUR PARENTS
COULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
FOR SOMEONE OLDER THAT IS NOT
APPLICABLE.
THEY WERE LIKE OKAY, THIS IS A
FORMER POLICY GUN RIGHTS
ADVOCATES COULD GET BEHIND.
ONE POINTING OUT IT WAS RETRO
AC
ACTIVE.
FOR A LOT OF US WE TAKE THE IDEA
AS YOU SAID ONE STEP IS A MILE.
COME AND TAKE THEM.
ANY STEP WHATSOEVER IS GIVING IN
ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
I THINK THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF
THE POLARIZATION.
YOU CAN OWN THEM WE ALSO NEED
SAFETY EXAMINATIONS.
YOU ARE
CURTAILING EXPRESSION IN
A SENSE.
THAT MAKES CONVERSATION
DIFFICULT TO HAVE.
ESPECIALLY IN AN ENVIRONMENT
DIFFICULT TO SAY -- I THINK THAT
POLARIZATION AND HOW GUNS HAVE
BECOME A WAY OF GETTING TO KNOW
SOMEONE'S POLITICS.
THAT HAS BEEN A BIG HINDRANCE TO
THIS CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD.
>> THANKS, I WANT TO REMIND YOU
ALL WE WILL BE HAVING Q&A WITH
THE AUDIENCE COMING UP SOON.
WRITE YOUR QUESTIONS ON THE
CARDS AND ALSO FOR OUR ONLINE
AUDIENCE.
WE WELCOME YOUR PARTICIPATION.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT THROUGH
TWITTER,
#POLICY TALKS.
WE ARE GOING TO SCHOOL PUBLIC
POLICY.
WE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT POLICY.
TO OUR DISTINGUISHED GUESTS,
HERE IS YOUR CHANCE, TOP TWO
PUBLIC POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT YOU BELIEVE ARE OF THE
HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR REDUCING,
SUFFERING, PAIN AND LOSS GUN
VIOLENCE HAS IN OUR SOCIETY.
COULD BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO
PROMOTE OR POLICY RECOMMENDATION
OF SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE
PURSUED.
JOHNATHON.
>> I AM GOING TO DO THE THING
JANE SAID NOT TO DO THIS OR
THAT.
I WILL SAY ON ONE HAND ANSWER IS
NOT A MYSTERY.
IF YOUR FRAME IS GUN RELATING
DEATH, THERE ARE JUST CLEAR
LINES, CLEAR GRAPHS BETWEEN
EFFECTIVE PARTICULAR STATE LAWS,
NUMBER OF GUNS IN CIRCULATION
AND JUST THE KIND OF SHOOTINGS.
I LIVE IN THE STATE, TENNESSEE
WE MADE IT EASIER, I LIVE IN
THIS PLACE CALLED PRINTERS ALLEY
IN NASHVILLE.
PEOPLE CAN JUST BRING THEIR GUNS
INTO BARS.
I WORRY ABOUT A GUY I JUST GOT A
RAISE.
IF YOU CARE ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY,
DON'T LET GUNS INTO BARS, 5-7
CHANCE MORE LIKELY CHANCE OF GUN
RELATED INJURY AND DEATH.
YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER
PERMITLESS CARRY.
REDUCING POWER OF BACKGROUND
CHECKS.
PEOPLE WHO FLAG ON AN IDEALIZED
BACKGROUND CHECK ARE PEOPLE WITH
DOMESTIC ABUSE AND AT HIGHER
RISK OF SHOOTING THEIR PARTNERS.
I THINK THE TAKE HOME POINT FROM
A POLICY POINT IS ON ONE HAND.
I THINK IF WE NATIONALIZE THE
BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM AND
CLOSED GUN SHOW LOOPHOLES AND
MADE IT MORE UNIFORM SO YOU
CAN'T TRANSPORT ACROSS STATE
LINES.
STATES THAT HAVE MORE STRICT
BACKGROUND SYSTEMS HAVE LESS GUN
RELATED INJURY AND DEATH BY 50%.
IF INJURY AND DEATH IS YOUR
FRAME, THERE IS NO MYSTERY.
YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE ARTICLES
THAT STARTED THE SO-CALLED BAN
IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THEY ARE NOT INCREDIBLY
CONTROVERSIAL.
KELLERMAN ARGUED IN 1990S, HOMES
WITH GUNS HAD MORE SHOOTINGS.
THAT IS THE CRUX OF IT.
MORE PARTNER SHOOTINGS AND
SUICIDES.
WOULD BE HARDER TO HAVE MORE
SHOOTINGS.
SELF-EVIDENT IN A PARTICULAR
WAY.
THIS TAPPED INTO SOMETHING DEEP
THAT TIED INTO THIS QUESTION OF
IDENTITY.
POINT NO. 1, FRAME IS INJURY AND
DEATH.
THERE IS NOT A HUGE MYSTERY.
>> IT WAS JUST ABOUT -- JURP AND
DEATH, LOOK AT NEW YORK.
LOOK AT D.C. LOOK AT OTHER
CITIES.
LESS PARTNER VIOLENCE LESS GUN
SUICIDES.
LESS SHOOTINGS, POLICE GETTING
SHOT.
THAT IS ON ONE HAND.
ON THE OTHER HAND.
I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF
CONCERNING AMONG PEOPLE.
IT IS FUNNY PEOPLE ON THE
PRO-GUN SIDE THEY REJECT PUBLIC
HEALTH OUT OF HAND.
THEY ARGUE IT IS A TAINTED
GOVERNMENT MODEL.
GOAL IS UNDERLYING.
THERE IS UNDERLYING ANTIGUN
HEALTH.
I DO THINK IT IS VERY INCUMBENT
ON PUBLIC HEALTH.
IF IT WANTS TO MAKE A DENT HERE,
ALSO LOOK AT THE MEANINGS OF
GUNS IN PRO-GUN COMMUNITIES AND
THINK ABOUT WAYS TO ENGAGE THE
POLICIES.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT.
MY TAKE HOME IS THAT IF WE CAN
SOLVE THE QUESTION OF WHAT ARE
THE POLICIES THAT ARE GOING TO
WORK AND DIFFERENT PRO-GUN
COMMUNITIES WE COULD SOLVE THIS
NATIONALLY.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT GETS US
DOWN.
IN A NUTSHELL MORE BACKGROUND
CHECKS, GUN VIOLENCE RESTRAINING
ORDERS.
I THINK THOSE WOULD BE FOR ME,
THE TWO THAT WOULD CUT GUN DEATH
BY AT LEAST A HALF.
>> I THINK THE ISSUE OF GUN
VIOLENCE RESTRAINING ORDERS.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN WORK
WITH.
I THINK THAT THE INTERNAL
MECHANICS, GUN VIOLENCE
RESTRAINING ORDER INVOLVES GOING
TO A JUDGE, THIS PERSON SHOULD
NOT BE PERMITTED TO HAVE AND
POSSESS GUNS.
THAT GETS INTO, ALL OF THIS IS
GOING TO GET MESSY.
YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE
INTERNAL LIVES OF INDIVIDUALS.
WHEN I WAS THINKING HOW BEST TO
ANSWER THIS QUESTION, ARE WE
TALKING ABOUT INTIMATE VIOLENCE?
MASS SHOOTINGS?
THERE ARE DIFFERENT POLICY
PRIORITIES FOR BOTH.
BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT MODELS.
I KNOW IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A
POLICY PRIORITY.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SEE
WITH MASS SHOOTINGS.
THEY CREATE THEIR OWN HATE
GEOGRAPHY.
WE SAW THAT WITH COLUMBINE.
EVEN THE FACT THAT I CAN LIST
OFF PLACE AND SHOOTER IN A
NUMBER OF MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
MEDIA TO STOP DOING THAT.
DO NOT PUBLICIZE THE NAMES OF
SHOOTERS.
TRY TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT HAS
TAKEN PLACE AND THE PEOPLE LOST.
THERE HAS BEEN INTERESTING
RESEARCH ON THE COPY CAT EFFECT
YOU SEE FROM CERTAIN MASS
SHOOTINGS.
WHEN IT COMES TO EVERYDAY
SHOOTINGS, I DON'T MEAN TO BE
FLIP IN ANY WAY, I MEAN
SHOOTINGS SOMETHING OVER AN
ARGUMENT OR SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENS AS A RESULT OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
GUN VIOLENCE RESTRAINING ORDERS
ARE IMPORTANT.
CHILD ACCESS RESTRAINING LAWS.
THEY WORK RETRO ACTIVELY AND AN
IMPORTANT TOUCH STONE TO BEGIN
TALK ABOUT HOW PARTICIPATES ARE
INTERACTING.
I BELIEVE IT WAS A CASE IN
NASHVILLE, WAFFLE HOUSE, IN
WHICH THE SHOOTER HAD HIS GUNS
TAKEN AWAY, RETURNED TO HIS
FATHER WHICH RETURNED THEM TO
THE CHILD IN QUESTION.
QUESTION WAS 19, TENNESSEE HAVE
A CAP LAW BUT DOESN'T APPLY
BECAUSE HE WAS TOO OLD.
I ALSO THINK SOMETHING THAT'S
IMPORTANT THAT I WOULD WANT TO
PRIORITIZE, OCCASIONALLY WHEN WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU BROUGHT
UP THE POINT TALKING TO PRO-GUN
COMMUNITIES, HOW THEY FEEL AND
GUN LAW THAT IS WORK FOR THEM.
SOMETHING I NOTICED IN MY
REPORTING, WHEN YOU TALK TO SOME
FOLKS, HOW THEY THINK ABOUT GUNS
IS DIFFERENT FROM HOW THEY THINK
PEOPLE THAT OWN GUNS IN OTHER
COMMUNITIES THINK ABOUT GUNS.
THEIR GUNS IS VERY MUCH, THIS IS
MY MEANS OF SELF-DEFENSE.
YOU GET THE WHAT ABOUT CHICAGO.
THEY ARE USING GUNS TO BE
TERRIBLE AND SHOOT EVERYONE.
WHEREAS IF YOU GO TO TALK TO
PEOPLE LIVING IN BALTIMORE
ELSEWHERE INTERESTED IN OWNING
GUNS, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN
OWNING GUNS SAME REASON SMM
SOMEONE IN DUBUQUE, IOWA OR
BOISE, OR THEY WANT TO GO TO A
GUN RANGE AT SOME POINT.
WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
NATIONALIZING POLICY PRIORITIES,
TALKING TO COMMUNITIES ABOUT
GUNS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
COMMUNITIES UNDERSTAND THEY ARE
NOT AS DISSIMILAR AS THEY THINK.
I THINK YOU GET THE SENSE SOME
FOLKS THESE URBAN AREA THAT IS
SEE GUN VIOLENCE HAPPENING FOR
VERY DIFFERENT REASONS THAN GUN
VIOLENCE IN SUBURBAN OR RURAL
AREAS.
I DON'T THINK IT IS.
SAME HUMAN IMPULSES EXIST IN A
LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT
COMMUNITIES AND SHOULD BE ABLE
TO TALK ABOUT GUNS ACROSS
COMMUNITIES IN A WAY THAT IS A
LOT MORE EFFECTIVE ON STOPPING
GUN VIOLENCE AND NOT DOING SO
MUCH DIVISION AND POLARIZATION.
>> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE
HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT LATELY IN
DATA IS EXACTLY THAT
POLARIZATION THERE IS A CONCEPT
FIREARM VIOLENCE AND INJURY AND
DEATH HAPPENS IN SOMEONE ELSE'S
NEIGHBORHOOD MORE.
THERE IT IS A PROBLEM.
DATA FOUND FOR KIDS AND TEENS
RATES OF KIDS AND TEENS DYING IS
EXACTLY SAME IN SUBURBAN AND
RURAL AND URBAN AMERICA.
MECHANISM IS DIFFERENT.
ESSENTIALLY, RATES ARE IN
EVERYBODY'S BACKYARD.
THAT IS HOW YOU START TO GET
COMMUNITIES, WHEN YOU SAY WE
NEED TO GET COMMUNITIES TALKING,
THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
UNTIL NOW, NO ABILITY TO HAVE
CONVERSATION WITH THAT.
SO IS TO WHAT WE THINK WE CAN
DO.
I SIT HERE FIRST OF ALL WITH A
RESEARCH HAT ON.
SECOND OF ALL, RUNNING OUR
CONSORTIUM.
I HEARD YOU MENTIONED A NUMBER
OF TIMES, WE KNOW, THIS RESEARCH
SHOWS THIS ABOUT POLICY.
DATA SHOWS THIS MY REACTION TO
THAT, WE KNOW ALMOST NOTHING.
THERE HAS BEEN NO DATA.
OUR ABILITY TO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS HAS BEEN 100% IN A
VACUUM.
LITTLE COMPARISON FOR THAT TREND
GRAPH.
OVER THAT LAST 10-YEAR PERIOD,
WE SPENT A BILLION DOLLARS ON
MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH RESEARCH.
WE HAVE AN ENTIRE BUILDING
DEDICATED TO TRANSPORTATION
RESEARCH AND SPEND A LOT OF
MONEY IN THIS COUNTRY.
NO. 3 CAUSE IS CANCER.
WE HAVE AN ENTIRE CANCER
INSTITUTE.
ALMOST EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL
CAMPUS HAS A CANCER INSTITUTE.
IN THAT SAME PERIOD FOR FIREARM
VIOLENCE, WE SPENT THREE MILLION
DOLLARS.
WE GAVE OUT NINE GRANTS IN THIS
COUNTRY.
PEOPLE YOU MENTION, YOU HAVE
BEEN DOING A LOT OF THE OF WORK
ON LOOKING IN THE POLICY AS IS
DANIEL WEBSTER AND I CAN NAME
THE OTHER THREE ON MY HAND
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SCRAPING BY IN
THEIR CLOSET WITH DOLLARS
SCRAPED TOGETHER LOOK AT
SOMETHING AND TOO TERRIFIED TO
PUB ESTABLISHED AND AFRAID TO
POST IT.
TEN YEARS AGO I COULDN'T GET A
SINGLE JUNIOR FACULTY BECAUSE
THERE WAS NO CAREER PATH.
ONE CAN'T GET PROMOTION AND
TENURE WITHOUT GRANTS AND
FUNDING.
NO CAREER PATH.
DR. CUNNINGHAM, I WILL STUDY
SOMETHING ELSE, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS LATELY
BEAUTIFULLY WITH THE OPIOID
CRISIS.
WE DECIDED WE DON'T WANT THIS
MANY PEOPLE DYING FROM OPIOID
OVERDOSES WHICH IS AS
STIGMATIZED AS A PROBLEM.
WE ARE DUMPING MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
INTO THIS AND ALL OF OUR
COMMUNITIES AND MAKING IT A
PRIORITY.
WE ARE MAKING REAL PROGRESS AND
INROADS.
WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR THE TOP OF
THE EPIDEMIC.
IF WE GAVE PART OF THAT AMOUNT
OF FUNDING TO FIREARM VIOLENCE,
WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF THE OF
BRILLIANT PEOPLE COMING UP WITH
BRILLIANT SOLUTIONS.
NO OTHER -- FIREARM INJURY
PREVENTION IS A SCIENCE IN THE
END.
THERE IS A SCIENCE TO THE POLICY
ANALYSIS AND WRITING AROUND IT.
NO OTHER SCIENCE DEBATE WHERE WE
THINK TWO GUYS, TWO WOMEN
SITTING ON A CORNER OR BAR TALK
TOGETHER.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS.
TOO MUCH MENTAL HEALTH
PROBLEMSES.
WHERE IS THE DATA.
THAT IS NOT THE REASON WE CAME
UP WITH SOLUTIONS FOR CANCER.
THERE WEREN'T TWO GUYS SITTING
AROUND THAT CAME UP WITH SEAT
BELTS THEN THEY TESTED THEM AND
IMPLEMENTED THEM.
BASIC SOCIAL SCIENCE, FOCUS
GROUPS AND ANALYSIS.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
WORKED AND WHAT DIDN'T WORK.
THERE IS NOT A BAN ON FEDERAL
FUNDING.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING FOR
IT.
IN ADDITION, SOME OF THE OTHER
BASIC THINGS PEOPLE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THAT I THINK ARE
IMPORTANT, CHILD ACCESS
PREVENTION LAWS.
THEY ARE NOT IMPLEMENTING
EVENLY.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY ARE
IMPLEMENTED EVERYWHERE.
SUGGESTIVE TO WORK CERTAINLY.
THIS MORNING IN SEATTLE, A FOUR
YEAR OLD PICKED UP A GUN THAT
WAS LOADED AND SHOT THEIR
PREGNANT MOTHER IN THE FACE.
TWO QUESTIONS WITH THAT.
THIS HAPPENS A LOT.
HUNDRED UNINTENTIONAL FIREARM
DEATH BY INADVERTENT.
WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT IN
OUR SOCIETY TO HAVE THAT FOUR
YEAR OLD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A
LOADING GUN?
HOW SERIOUS DO WE WANT TO BE
ABOUT IT.
WHY PEOPLE OWN GUNS ACROSS
COMMUNITIES?
WHY DOES THIS YOUNG FAMILY WITH
A FOUR YEAR OLD AND PREGNANT
MOTHER FEEL THEY NEED TO SLEEP
WITH A LOADED GUN UNDER THEIR
BED.
WE'LL START TO BETTER UNDERSTAND
HOW TO ADDRESS THIS BETTER AND
TAKE MORE TIME AND RESOURCES.
>> THANK YOU.
READY FOR AUDIENCE QUESTIONS AND
Q&A.
E WANT TO REMIND OUR FOLKS
ONLINE, QUESTIONS USING TWITTER
AND USE
#POLICYTALKS.
I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO
TWO AMAZING FORD SCHOOL
STUDENTS, SENIOR MARINA AND
STEPHEN OLIPHANT WHO WILL HELP
US.
PROFESSOR AND I.
>> HI, I AM A SENIOR HERE IN THE
FORD SCHOOL.
I DONE A LOT OF WORK BOTH INSIDE
AND OUTSIDE OF A CLASSROOM ON
ANTIGUN VIOLENCE.
TWO SUMMERS AGO I WORKED IN D.C.
WITH GIFFORDS, ANTIGUN VIOLENCE.
>> I AM A SECOND YEAR GRADUATE
STUDENT AND INTERN WITH DR.
CUNNINGHAM'S GROUP.
I THINK DR. METZEL TOUCHED ON
THIS A BIT, ARE THERE MANY
MEANINGFUL MEASURES THAT COULD
SEE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT IN THE
NEAR FUTURE?
SHOULD WE EXPECT OR ADVOCATE
FROM STATE TO STATE AND CITY TO
CITY?
>> I CAN GO FIRST.
>> PLEASE.
>> DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY
NEAR FUTURE.
NEAR FUTURE FOR ME IS NO.
THAT GETS TO THE POINT, WE USE
GUNS FOR POLITICAL PRIORITIES ON
ACROSS THE SPECTRUM.
SO SOMETHING YA KNOW THAT WILL
COME ACROSS AS LIKE I BROUGHT
THIS UP IN THE CLASS EARLIER,
THERE IS A PHRASE I LEARNED
COMMON SENSE X POLICY.
WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT COMMON
SENSE GUN POLICY, THIS ISN'T
GOING TO WORK.
WHAT IS COMMON SENSE TO YOU IS
NOT GOING TO BE COMMON SENSE TO
SOMEONE ELSE.
HOWEVER I WOULD SAY --
YOU CAN
HAVE LEGAL PRIORITY AT THE LOCAL
LEVEL THAT MIGHT NOT MIRROR
SOMETHING DONE IN ANOTHER STATE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE SEEN TIME AND
AGAIN IT IS HELD UP IN COURT.
THERE IS MERIT TO SOME STATES
AND SOME CITIES HAVING DIFFERING
GUN PRIORITIES.
THAT COMES FROM THE RESEARCH WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT.
IT IS TIME TO DO THE RESEARCH
THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY TALKING,
ATTEMPTING TO STEER IN A CERTAIN
DIRECTION.
THAT RESEARCH IS LEADING INTO A
SPECIFIC POLICY DIRECTION OR
TRYING TO LEAN INTO THAT, BUT I
DO THINK THAT THERE IS ROOM TO
TALK ABOUT WHY IS A FAMILY OF
FOUR KEEPING A LOADED HANDGUN
UNDER THE MATTRESS?
WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES OF THAT
COMMUNITY?
AS POESED TO A COMMUNITY
DIFFERENT, PEOPLE STILL HAVE
LOADED GUNS UNDER THE MATTRESS
EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE IN AN
ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SOCIAL
CONTEXT.
THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID
FOR DIFFERENT LOCALITIES HAVING
DIFFERING LAWS.
I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE
OF THOSE LAWS, MOST RECENT
SUPREME COURT CASE FOCUSSED ON
NEW YORK GUN LAW.
HAS TO DO WITH THE
TRANSPORTATION OF GUNS.
AND I THINK IT WILL BE
INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE
COURT HAS.
THAT COULD RETRO THIS
CONVERSATION SOME WHAT MOOT A
LITTLE BIT.
AT THE NEAR TERM, I DON'T THINK
THERE IS ANY GUN POLICY MOVE
THAT CAN BE MADE ON THE FEDERAL
LEVEL THAT WOULD GO THROUGH
CONGRESS.
BUMP STOCK BAN WAS SIGNED IN AND
DONE VIA THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION AND DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS GOING TO
COURT.
THAT IS ANOTHER MEANS OF
CREATING A POLICY.
DOESN'T INVOLVE CONGRESS.
CONGRESS CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT
NOW.
>> I'LL BE MUCH QUICKER.
>> TAKE YOUR TIME.
>> I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT
ARE MORE PALATABLE IN HOW WE GET
TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT CAN BE
DONE AND AROUND CHILDREN AND
TEENS AND ACCESS LAWS.
I THINK WE NEED TO START WITH
THE PLACES THAT COULD HAVE AN
IMMEDIATE AGREEMENT LIKE THAT.
THERE IS MORE AGREEMENT ABOUT
FOLKS AT RISK FOR DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
WE KNOW 50 WOMEN A MONTH DIE BY
GUN BY THEIR PARTNER.
EVERY MONTH IN THE UNITED
STATES.
WE CAN PROBABLY DO, THERE ARE
SIMPLER PIECES AS A WAY TO START
INROADS.
AGAIN, WASHINGTON STATE STARTED,
MASSIVE INCREASE IN AMOUNT OF
PEOPLE ASKING FOR THE RESTAINING
ORDERS TO BE PUT IN PLACE WITH
FIREARMS.
THEY HAVE TO BE DONE IN A WAY
THAT IS ENFORCE M.
WHEN THEY GO TO THE EXTRA RISK
THEY ARE PUTTING THEMSELVES AT,
LIKELY TO INCREASE ANGER OF
THEIR PARTNER A FAIR AMOUNT THEY
ARE PROTECTED BY THE LAW AND NOT
HAVE THAT FEAR.
THEN WE NEED TO STUDY THAT AND
WE HAVE FOLKS COMBING THROUGH
THOSE REQUESTS IN A QUALITATIVE
WAY AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS
HAPPENING WITH THEM.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE EASIER
LOWER HANGING FRUIT PLACES TO
BEAGAIN.
>> I AM CLEARLY A LIBERAL
CENTERS DEMOCRAT.
IT IS FUNNY I AM ABOUT TO MAKE
AN ARGUMENT FOR STATES RIGHTS.
>> FEDERALISM.
IT IS A WONDER.
>> I WILL SAY I WANT EVERYONE TO
UNDERSTAND THIS QUESTION.
IT IS THE URGENT QUESTION THAT
IS GOING TO FACE US.
THE SUPREME COURT AS DECIDED TO
TAKE UP A SEEMINGLY SMALL CASE
IN NEW YORK.
SOMETHING HUGE HAPPENED A COUPLE
OF WEEKS, SUPREME COURT HASN'T
TAKEN UP A CASE.
EIGHT PEOPLE IN A SMALL GUN CLUB
IN NEW YORK COULDN'T TAKE THEIR
GUNS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
YOU WOULD THINK OH MY GOSH,
WHATEVER, LETS THEM TAKE THEIR
GUNS.
DOES A CITY LIKE NEW YORK HAVE A
RIGHT TO SET GUN POLICY IN THE
CONTEXT OF NEW YORK CITY?
THIS IS A GATEWAY DRUG TUS TO A
MUCH BROADER ISSUE.
DO REGENTS AND STATES HAVE THE
ABILITY TO SET THEIR OWN POLICY?
>> MISSOURI STRICTEST HANDGUN
LAWS.
YOU HAD TO GO TO THE SHERIFF.
SEEMINGLY SMALL BILL THAT SAID
DON'T HAVE TO GO IN PERSON.
LED TO A MUCH BIGGER
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE WHICH WAS
DO STATES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO
THAT?
>> I FEEL LIKE THE ISSUE IS WHAT
IS AT STAKE HERE.
I URGE PEOPLE INTERESTED LOOK AT
THE 2010 D.C. CASE.
LIBERAL JUDGES, CONSERVATIVE
JUDGES AND ONE JUDGE FAR TO THE
RIGHT, SECOND AMENDMENT TRUMPS
EVERYTHING ELSE.
D.C. HAS NO RIGHT TO SET ANY
LIMITATION.
THIS WAS ABOUT AR 15ST IN D.C.
JUDGE YOU MIGHT KNOW HIM,
CAVANAUGH.
WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THE SUPREME
COURT WHO HAVE GONE ON RECORD IN
THIS ISSUE.
THIS QUESTION OF DOES A CITY
LIKE NEW YORK, I AM FROM
TENNESSEE, IF I GO TO NEW YORK,
I CAN'T LOAD UP MY SUITCASE WITH
A BUNCH OF GLOCKS.
I BOUGHT A BUNCH OF STUFF AT
BLOOMING DALES.
I AM GOING TO OFF LOAD MY GUNS
IN GUN MARKETING.
LEADS TO UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES.
CASE IN FRONT OF THE SUPREME
COURT HAS POTENT SHL TO SHIFT
GUN POLICY NOT IN THE SOUTH
WHERE IT IS HAPPENING.
IN AREAS LIKE LOS ANGELES AND
NEW YORK THAT HAD THESE ISSUES.
I AM THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT MUST
HAVE BEEN LIKE TOTALLY
ANTIABORTION AREA AND PEOPLE
WERE SAYING ROW VS. WADE THING
IS COMING DOWN THE PIKE AND WE
ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR OWN
REGIONAL WAYS TO STOP IT.
YOU LIMIT THE ABILITIES OF
CITIES AND STATES.
IF YOU ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO
ONE ISSUE, IT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN
THIS NEW YORK CASE.
REALLY STOPPING THE ABILITY OF
LOCALS FOR REALLY MAKING THEIR
OWN POLICIES THAT WORK FOR THEM.
THAT WAS UPLIFTING.
>> NEXT QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH
THE FRAMING OF THIS ISSUE AND
HOW WE TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
IF WE ARE NOT SAYING GUN
CONTROL, WHAT ARE WE SAYING.
ALSO HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE THE
GOOD DATA ON THIS SUBJECT WHEN
SOME DATA HAS BEEN CREATED BY
SOME MORE DUBIOUS RESEARCH FIRMS
AND BASICALLY JUST THE EFFECTIVE
MESSAGING OF THIS ISSUE THAT
LEADS TO IMPROVED PUBLIC SAFETY.
>> I THINK SAFETY IS THE WORD,
SAFETY IMPLIES THAT THE ITEM
EXISTS AND WE ARE GOING TO WORK
WITH ITEM AS IT IS IN SOME FORM
OR ANOTHER TO MAKE IT MORE SAFE.
THAT IS THE FRAME THE LESS
THREATENING FRAME.
THAT IS THE MESSAGING I WOULD
WILDLY INCUR.
WHAT IS THE SECOND PART OF YOUR
QUESTION?
>> I GUESS ABOUT THE DATA.
>> DATA.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO WORK FROM THE
BEST DATA WE HAVE.
THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET THE
MOST ACCURATE DATA IS TO HAVE
FUNDED RESEARCH.
IF YOU ARE TOLD YOU HAVE
TERRIBLE CANCER, YOU WANT THE
NIH TO HAVE INVESTIGATED IT.
YOU WANT TO BE CONFIDENT.
WE DON'T HAVE HIGH QUALITY
RESEARCH FOR FIREARMS.
WITH ANYTHING DATA CAN BE
MISCONSTRUED, TESTED.
WE MOVE WHATEVER FIELD OF
RESEARCH FORWARD TO THE BEST
POSSIBLE WAY WHICH IS DIFFICULT
ON A GOOD DAY.
WE ARE NOT IN A GOOD DAY FOR
FACTS.
>> UM, YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT
HOW WE COMMUNICATE ABOUT GUNS,
EVEN WHEN WE DO, IS I THINK
TELLING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GUNS
AS A POLICY ISSUE.
WE START TALKING ABOUT GUN
POLICY WHEN A SOMETHING TERRIBLE
HAPPENS, SPECIFICALLY A MASS
SHOOTING.
WE SAID THAT AFTER PARKLAND.
THAT IS THE TIME TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION.
TECHNICALLY WE SHOULD BE TALK
ABOUT GUN POLICY AT ALL TIMES.
NEVER A BETTER TIME TO TALK
ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES PREVENTING
GUN VIOLENCE WITHIN THE STRICT
STRUCTURES OF OUR SYSTEM.
IT IS SUCH A GOOD FRAMING, IT IS
ONE NRA USES, WITH REGARDS TO
SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, SCHOOL SHIELD
PROGRAM, EFFORT TO ENCOURAGE
SCHOOLS TO TAKE PART IN DEFENSE
MECHANISMS.
GETTING RID OF WINDOWS IN
SCHOOLS, ALSO ARMING TEACHERS
WHICH IS INCREDIBLY
CONTROVERSIAL.
IDEA OF EDUCATION AND SAFETY
BEING THE FRAME AND TALKING
ABOUT IT.
I WAS GLAD HOW YOU SAID WE DON'T
SAY CAR CONTROL.
WE RECOGNIZE CARS AREN'T GOING
AWAY.
I THINK THERE IS AN IDEA, I
THINK WHAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH
HOW COMMUNITIES DIFFER.
MY PARENTS HATE GUNS.
I HADN'T TOUCHED A GUN UNTIL I
WENT TO A RANGE IN VIRGINIA.
THIS IS A THING PEOPLE DO.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN JOURNALISM
COME FROM A LONG RUNNING FAMILY
TRADITION OF GUNS AND GUN
OWNERSHIP AND CAN'T IMAGINE WHY
WOULD WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT
GUNS BEING IN HOMES.
YOU ARE COMING FROM RADICALLY
DIFFERENT CONTENTS AND NO CROSS
OVER.
BRUJ COULD BE TO TALK ABOUT
SAFETY AND TALK ABOUT ISSUES
WHEN THEY ARE NOT SPURRED BY
NEWS.
THERE IS AN ARGUMENT, THE DO
SOMETHING POLICY.
TY CLI IT DOESN'T GO THE WAY YOU
HAD HOPE.
REACTING, NOT NECESSARILY TO
EVENTS, BUT ONGOING ISSUES LIKE
THE CRISIS OF INTIMATE VIOLENCE
WE HAVE POINTED OUT AND THE
ONGOING ISSUES THAT CAUSED BY
ACCESS TO GUNS FOR CHILDREN AND
TEENS.
THINK ABOUT SAFETY AND THINK
ABOUT HOW TO COMMUNICATE THAT
ACROSS LINES.
I AM NOT MAKING AN ARGUMENT
AGAINST EXPERTISE.
WE NEED MORE RESEARCH, MORE
FUNDING.
I THINK THE MOMENT WE ARE IN IS
ONE IN WHICH THE DANGER IS NOT
ABOUT THE LACK OF EXPERTISE.
WE HAVE IT.
WE NEED MORE FUNDING.
IT IS ABOUT VACUUMS AND SILOS,
ANY POLICY INTERVENTION NEEDS TO
ALSO, POLICY SCHOLARS AND
CRITICAL SKALS HAVE TO BE
WORKING TOGETHER IN A PARTICULAR
WAY.
EVEN THE BEST POLICY
INTERVENTION RACES THE RISK, I
THINK OF NOT LOOKING AT THE WAYS
IN WHICH WE ARE NOT LIVING IN
THIS MOMENT WHERE I LEARNED THE
APPLE FALLS FROM THE TREE,
THEREFORE I AM GOING TO DO ALL
THESE THINGS.
WE ARE LIVING IN AN INCREDIBLY
ANXIOUS MOMENT.
WE NEED TO COMBINE DIFFERENT
EXPERTISE.
A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO PLAY
OUT.
ALSO OTHER FORMS OF EXPERTISE,
HISTORY, ALL THESE OTHER FAM
TOS.
NO. 1 THAT IS THE ISSUE.
NO. 2, JUST BACK TO JANE.
I THINK THE NRA HAS BEEN A
DOMINANT VOICE IN THIS
PARTICULAR DOMAIN FAR MORE THAN
ANYBODY REALIZES.
IT IS NOT JUST HOW THEY
RECOGNIZE, THEY HAVE POLITICIANS
WHO ARE ALIGNED IN THEIR
INTEREST AND JUDGES.
IT IS ALSO ABOUT THE WAYS THEY
TAP INTO THESE ANXIETIES.
GUNS BECOME THE ANSWER.
PERFECT EXAMPLE IS NRA AFTER THE
BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTEST.
ALL THESE NRA ADS AND SHOWING
THE HISTORY OF URBAN UNREST AND
NEWARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
NRA SPOKES PEOPLE SHOWING THE
SIGN OF THE CLINCHED FIST WHICH
WAS THE SIGN AT THE TIME.
THIS IS OUR MOMENT.
WITHOUT THAT KIND OF CROSS
DISCIPLINARY EXPERTISE, WE ARE
AT RISK OF THOSE POLARIZING
MOMENTS.
>> THERE WASN'T A BALANCING
VOICE ACROSS THE VAST MEDICAL
COMMUNITY OVER THE PAST 20
YEARS.
PHYSICIANS WOULDN'T SAY THE WORD
GUN OR NRA AT ALL.
THAT TIDE IS CHANGING NOW SOME
ARE MORE WILLING TO SPEAK UP
THIS IS MY MOVEMENT.
WITH THAT YOU HAVE A TIDE OF
VOICES WHO CAN BEGIN TO SPEAK
FROM THAT HEALTH PERSPECTIVE, WE
ARE 100% SILENT.
I AGREE THERE ARE MASS
SHOOTINGS, REALLY INTERESTING
LIGHTNING ROD FOR COUNTRY TO
GAIN DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
CONVENTION.
OUR CALL TO ATTENTION.
TO BE USED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
A DISCUSSION ABOUT A DAILY TOLL
OF VIOLENCE.
THAT STUDENT VOICE BALANCING,
VERY STRONG CONSERVATIVE VOICES
WITH ONE PITCH FOR A LONG TIME.
WE ARE SEEING THE OTHER VOICES.
IT IS GOING TO TAKE A CULTURE
SHIFT TO BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT
THIS.
>> SO MUCH OF THE ATTENTION IS
ON MASS SHOOTINGS.
WHY HAS HASN'T -- SHOULD WE LOOK AT
THIS ISSUE TO PREVENT GUN
VIOLENCE.
>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUICIDE,
WE TALK AB{UP}ABOUT INTENT.
I LIKE PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT THE
N MECHANISM OF THE INJURY.
TO GET AT PREVENTION STRATEGIES,
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT BOTH.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SUICIDE
AND SUICIDE PREVENTION.
EVIDENCE OVERWHELMINGLY SHOWS
US, FOR EXAMPLE, ADOLESCENT IS
IMPULSIVE AND HAS ACCESS TO A
FIREARM THEY CAN COMPLETE THAT
INTENT.
THEY LIKELY WILL NOT GO ON TO
SUBSTITUTE AND FIND ANOTHER
MEANS.
THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN OTHER AND
OVER AGAIN.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SUICIDE.
YES BETTER ACCESS TO MENTAL
HEALTH TREATMENT ALSO WHY WE
HAVE INCREASED DEPRESSION AND
HOPELESSNESS.
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT GUNS AND
IMMEDIATE LETHAL ACCESS TO THAT
MECHANISM TO THAT INJURY.
>> HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO WE
HAVE?
THIS IS MY ENTIRE BOOK IS ABOUT
THIS.
I HAVE A BOOK COMING OUT IN
MARCH.
IT IS NOT JUST INTEND IT IS
ACCESS.
I GOT DRUNK, MY WIFE IS HAVING
AN AFFAIR AND FIRED FROM MY JOB,
AND THERE IS A GUN HERE H. IF
YOU SHOOT YOURSELF FATAL IN 96%.
IS THERE A GUN AROUND?
IT IS NOT LINKED TO MENTAL
HEALTH.
WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS SWATH OF
GUN SUICIDE, LARGELY WHITE MEN
LINKED TO DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS AND
GUN OWNERSHIP.
IT IS A QUESTION OF ACCESS.
WHY IS THE GUN THERE IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
TIES INTO OTHER QUESTIONS WE
HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
YOU CAN'T JUST SEE GUN SUICIDE
OR FIREARM RELATED MORBIDITY AND
MORTALITY TREND IN A VACUUM.
THE MINUTE WE LINK IT DOWN AND
THIS ONE MOMENT, THIS PARTICULAR
ANECDOTE, YOU ARE LOSING, I
THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION.
I HAVE A PIECE COMING OUT PUBLIC
OPEN ACCESS NATURE THING.
I ARGUED RESEARCH I LOVE TO SEE
IS THERE A PUBLIC HEALTH BENEFIT
TO OWNING A GUN?
IS THERE A PLEASURE?
I DON'T ASCRIBE TO TO THAT
PERSONALLY.
IF ONE GUY ON THE SUBWAY HAS A
GUN, EVERYBODY HAS A GUN.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS
SUBLIME ABOUT GUN OWNERSHIP?
WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE
THE FRUSTRATING PUSH AND PULL.
PUBLIC HEALTH ONE HAND AND GUN
OWNERSHIP ON THE OTHER HAND.
WE NEVER SEEM TO GO ANYWHERE.
>> WHEN WE ARE TALKING, QUESTION
OF SUICIDE IS LIKE YOU SAID
QUESTION OF ACCESS AND
MECHANISMS.
I THINK WHAT WE ARE SEEING WITH
RISING SUICIDE RATE, ABILITY TO
COMPLETE THE ACT IN A SENSE.
THAT HAPPENS YOU KNOW, I HAVE
LOST FRIENDS TO SUICIDE BY GUN.
THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT
PLAYS INTO IT.
ISSUE OF GENOMES NEEDS TO BE
PART OF A LARGER CONVERSATION.
GUNS BECOME A TEST FOR POLITICAL
PRIORITI
PRIORITII
PRIORITIES.
WE CAN'T REMOVE GUNS.
I TALK TO A LOT OF GUN OWNERS
AND HOW THEY TALK ABOUT GUNS IS
SO DIFFERENT FROM HOW THE FOLKS
I TALK TO AT EVERYTOWN OR MANS
DEMAND TALK ABOUT GUNS.
THEY HAVE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
--
YOU WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE
ACT BECAUSE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO
THAT.
YOU PROBABLY OWNED THE GUN FOR
ENTIRELY SEPARATE REASONS
BEFOREHAND.
THIS WAS NOT NECESSARILY A PART
OF THE PLAN WHEN YOU GOT THIS
GUN.
WHY DID YOU GET THE GUN IN THE
FIRST PLACE?
WHAT CONTEXT DID YOU HAVE?
IT IS AN INTERESTING ISSUE.
IT IS GONE OWNERS VERSES PUBLIC
HEALTH.
WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BRIDGE
AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS BY WHICH
MECHANISMS IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE
ENDING THEIR LIVES.
THEN WE CAN START GETTING INTO
WHAT THAT GUN MEANS AND WHAT GUN
USAGE MEANS OVERALL.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I AM SO SORRY, BAD NEWS WE ARE
OUT OF TIME FOR TODAY.
GOOD NEWS, WE HAVE REFRESHMENTS
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The golf clap heard round the world, delivered by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. This was her response to Trumps early call for "the boundless potential of cooperation, compromise, and the common good." Seems the businessman turned President may not have convinced her.
Another notable Pelosi clap, this time with a hair fix. One of the more awkward places in Washington has got to be sitting behind the President during the State of the Union, even if he is from your party, and especially if he is not.
Another person who didnt seem amused by at least one part of Trump speech was Sen. Kamala Harris. Harris is one of Trumps 2020 challengers from the left, and she seems to think "putting the ruthless coyotes, cartels, drug dealers, and human traffickers out of business" is something that is .
Another 2020 contender, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, almost straight up rolled her eyes during Trumps : "Unemployment has reached the lowest rate in half a century. African American, Hispanic American and Asian American unemployment have all reached their lowest levels ever recorded. Unemployment for Americans with disabilities has also reached an all time low. More people are working now than at any time in our history 157 million."
You know who did get jazzed? These women sitting on the Democrats side of the chamber. Wearing suffragette white, a large group of women, many of them new to Congress, that, a century after women won the right to vote, Congress has more women than ever before.
Trump got in on the reaction game too, conducting an impromptu for an 81 year old Holocaust survivor who attended the speech as a guest. Which showed that, regardless of what those in the audience or those at home thought of the speech, some moments can bring people together.
He is very polite and said thank you. Usually the first thing I say after people sing happy birthday to me is something about how awkward it was which, for the record, makes it more awkward .
Since this years State of the Union was rescheduled, that meant it fell on Lunar New Year. Which means naturally Buzz Aldrin, one of the first men on the moon, was there. Basically America got to collectively
Stick with me here, because this is not so much a GIF as a silent documentary short. I just want to understand what happened to Trumps tie and why it was askew for the beginning of the speech. Look: It is straight, then he turns to our left and when he turns back, its stuck for no discernible reason.
Ties had a huge night on Tuesday. Heres Rep. Billy Long of Missouri having Trump sign his tie.
Lets do this again. Same time next year?
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Lakeland Currents you public affairs
program for north central Minnesota produced by
Lakeland PBS with host Ray Gildow.
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Regional Airport serving the region with daily flights to the Minneapolis-
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Closed captioning for Lakeland
Currents is sponsored by Nisswa Tax Service. Tax
preparation for businesses and individuals online at
nisswatax.com. Ray Gildow: Hello again
everyone and welcome to Lakeland Currents where tonight we're doing something
we've done before in our 12 year history. We're
going to interview folks from Camp Ripley. And if you're at all
familiar with central Minnesota you know that somewhere between Little
Falls and Brainerd is a pretty good size
military training camp. If you're not a
military person with a military background you probably have never stepped foot on
this place. But it's a very, very interesting
well managed property. If you're a
deer hunter you may also have been there because there are people that go there
and go bow hunting. But I'd like to welcome my two guests
this evening who are from Camp Ripley. And first
to my right is Staff Sergeant
Tishel Schwegel [Yes]. I'm saying that right? And
[You are] you are the Senior Culinary Specialist
I Company 134th
Brigade Support Battalion. I'll get it out yet.
[laughing] And to her right is Chief
Warrant Officer Andrew Bachman, Chief Warrant Officer
3. [Correct] And it's important to have those numbers. And he's a Minnesota
National Guard Quarter Master. Andrew: That is correct, Sir. Ray: And
maybe we could start out with a little bit about your backgrounds.
Where you came from and how you got into
what you're doing now before we talk about the camp.
Tishel: I'm originally from Roseau, Minnesota.
I joined when I was a junior in high school, back in
2002. [Wow] So I have been in for 16 years.
Currently working with the
J4 office as the state food service
program manager. Ray: Great and
you've been how long at Camp Ripley? Tishel: I started
as a technician about a year and a half ago.
Ray: So when you....you think
you'll finish your career there? [Absolutely] Okay.
And how about you? Andrew: So I have been in
the National Guard since 1995. I enlisted
as a senior in high school. And
from there I've been with a unit in
Northfield down at Division Aviation
Brigade in the cities. And in 2007 I was
transferred up to Camp Ripley. And I've been up here
full time ever since as the State Quarter Master. Ray: Well lets talk a little bit about
the size of the camp and whose there. Whose
working there year round? Andrew: So year round
it fluctuates employee wise. But give or take year round there's about
800 employees full time. Only the
General and his family live full time as far as
on post. Everybody else comes and goes.
And the camp itself I believe is approximately
53,000 square acres. And predominately most of it is
training area. Ray: Is the camp growing at all?
Andrew: It is growing in the last few years
substantially. Even since I started there in 2007
a tremendous amount of building additions.
A lot of the old aluminum sheds that we've
had out there when we first started that we...
bivouacked in or whatever at annual training. A lot of those are gone
now replaced with more modern facilities. Ray: How about
land wise. Does the state still purchase property
for Camp Ripley or is that pretty much locked in?
Andrew: They do. They have a program called A-CUB
and I don't know exactly how it works but
they do occasionally purchase land
around Camp Ripley as a buffer. And I'm not
exactly sure how they do do that. But I know they still do that.
The environmental team works with that [inaudible] Ray: And you have
visitors that come from military groups
from not only America but from around the world.
Well at least from Norway. [Absolutely] And
how many do you have any idea how many soldiers
go through that camp in a typical year in the summertime?
Andrew: Well as far as National Guard I would say
it can fluctuate anywhere from
a few thousand to all the way up to I've heard numbers
somewhere around 10,000, 12,000,
10,000 person range for a training season. Ray: Wow, wow.
And in your role in the culinary fields
are you responsible to help feed all those people then?
Tishel: We do have a central dining
facility. And we do have a full time staff person
Staff Sergeant Christianson, she actually
kind of operates the National Guard side of that but then
they do also serve any other entities
that would be coming to Camp Ripley. So I know they do have
high numbers that they feed there as well. We would help them
with any type of MRA request.
Or if they have anything coming from
DLA which would be like the UGR Heat And Serves, we would
help with that aspect of it. Ray: So the
800 people that are working there, do they eat in... that mess hall then?
Or do they all have responsibilities they
figure that out on their own? Tishel: There are
some people who do go to the central dining facility
but I would say most of the time we eat
at the snack shop or they do bring
meals up to the tack which is where a lot of
the employees are for AGR staff.
And a lot of people probably bring their own.
Ray: Yeah. It's interesting. So one of the topics
that we want to talk about today is the Norway
Reciprocal Troop Exchange. And it's called
NOREX. Is that the correct
acronym for that? [Correct] And what is NOREX?
Andrew: So NOREX in a nutshell
started in 1974 between
Norwegian Major General Nygaard and
American at the time the National Guard Chief
Major General Greenlief. And it basically started
as a handshake as a cultural exchange.
So their soldiers would come here and train with us, American
soldiers. And the American soldiers would go to Norway
and train with Norwegian soldiers. And it
currently I believe is the longest allied exchange
of all the exchanges that the military does.
Ray: So they come typically like what July, August?
Or do they come in the winter time? Andrew: We've alternated.
Sometimes they come in the summer. Sometimes they come in the winter.
From what I've been told for future NOREX'S
were going to kind of continue with that winter theme.
Ray: And do you send troops
then to Norway... and reciprocate with
that? Andrew: We do. We send approximately 100 soldiers over
there too. Ray: And then is that like usually a two week assignment?
[Yes] Ray: Okay. And then what do they do when they're over there?
Andrew: So when they're over there they do
the military training. So we have all that
aspects, winter operations. And then they'll
also experience the cultural aspects in a way.
Ray: Have either of you been involved in that exchange? Andrew: I wish.
Ray: Not quite yet. Tishel: I'm actually gonna be part of it this year. Ray: So you'll get to
go to Norway. Tishel: Correct. Ray: And what month will you be going?
Tishel: We will be going in February. Ray: So, it's probably gonna
be winter there too, isn't it? Tishel: Yes. Ray: [laughs] It's not like you could've gone
to Florida or something. [No] Enjoy some warm weather.
And in your area then, what will you be doing when you go over there?
Tishel: I will be the...food service
person that goes along. I am in charge of the
American meal when we are over there. From my understanding
they do a Norwegian meal where they bring all of their
typical foods that they have. And then we will be
bringing I believe the....Trolling for Troops
is a big sponsor with Mancini
Steaks down in Minneapolis area. [Really?] And they donate
the steak meal for us to bring over there.
So we will be bringing steaks and potatoes
and I actually am
friends with the cook who went last year and she said they
look forward to the steaks the most
and apparently they are big for sweet tooth. So we're gonna bring
over a lot of desserts this year. Ray: It's a small world I
was with the person last summer who did that.
With the Mancini steaks. [Oh ok] One of the
people that work with that program and he was talking about that, that's pretty interesting.
Tishel: Yeah they give us the opportunity to go down there and learn how
to cook their steaks and....bring all of that knowledge
over to Norway. Ray: So do you do this...do you
bivouac at all? Are you out in the field during some of this? Or are
you on one of their military sites, in one of their mess halls?
Tishel: From my understanding we do go to basically like one of their
camp areas and they do take us...
down range or out in the field and
the stories that I have heard...I guess we
get to ski the mountain. So I guess I've never skied uphill
before. So that will be great training and something fun to
learn. Ray: Physically challenging, I'll bet yeah. Tishel: Yes, so
and I know that they do what's called like a buddy weekend.
Where the soldiers are allowed to go and learn
the different cultures over in Norway. I believe they do
that here as well. I know there have been a couple families who have
done that and they said it's a lot of fun. Ray: So do you fly over
in military planes when you're doing this? Tishel: I believe this
year we are flying commercial. Ray: Oh that'll be nice. [Yes] Better
than riding in some of those cargo planes. [Yes]
So it's a unique event. And you talked a
little bit how it got started with just a hand shake.
And is there....what else is interesting about
the history of this? What's happened over the years that you've been doing
this that might be of interest to people? Andrew: Well I think
you know initially I think it was more of a cultural exchange.
And throughout...and this is just some of the stories I've been told..this will be my
4th NOREX participating state side.
And what I've learned is it's become
they really kind of increased the mission or the op
tempo as we would call it. So like the training portion of
it is probably increased dramatically. Ray: So how many people
are typically involved? Are you gonna take a company
over? Andrew: So, there's approximately a hundred that go over
and a hundred that come over here. And then we have approximately
150 support staff here to support those
Norwegians. Ray: Interesting. Does everybody
in the camp take part of this in some way or another or no?
Andrew: Not everybody in camp. Camp Ripley operations
continues to function for other individuals that are using
the camp for different reasons. Cause there are different training facilities
there being used at all times of the year.
So we allocate those individuals well in advance
so they know they're going to be participating in the exchange
and those individuals will support it.
Ray: Does anybody speak Norwegian?
[laughter] Tishel: I'm Polish background so I......
I'm... Ray: That's not gonna help. Tishel: I did download the translator
though for Norway so, when I get over there if I have any
questions I have help. Ray: So I suppose that is part of your training is that
you do have to have interpreters along with you, do you?
To....or no? Andrew: The Norwegians speak very good English. Ray: They all speak English.
So that's not an issue at all? Andrew: It is not an issue. Ray: And
you said here it takes about 150 people to
support this operation. [Correct] And what are those people all doing?
What are some of the roles that you see there? Andrew: We have everything
from the individuals that are the operations
[inaudible] that run everything, the glue that holds it together.
To the logistic staff which includes
everything from our cooks to our bus drivers
to the individuals that are in charge of the warehouses
to issue out winter gear. We have individuals that
mirror the Norwegians Senior
officers to show them around. So, liaisons
Senior Training Coordinators, we call them. Company
Commanders, Executive Officers. And then...
just individuals that help on the ranges.
They have a very important role. Everybody from safety officers
safety non-commission officers. To the individuals
that are actually running the machines.
Ray: So we talk about American meals
and select meals, what are those terms meaning?
Tishel: I guess I'm not
really understanding the select meals part?
Ray: I wrote part of the question we've got here, we hear a lot about
select meal, what are they for, I guess is the question.
Andrew: Like the American meal...or the Norwegian
meal. Tishel: We basically just do it as kind of like our
gift to them for letting us come over. Ray: Is our food?
Tishel: Correct. And this year we are
gonna be bringing a couple of addition items
with. They said they would like to try bison.
So we are going to do a couple different varieties of
bison for them. And then we are also going to bring walleye
with us over there. Ray: How are you finding walleyes? I can't find
them? [laughs] Tishel: We actually can get that
distributed from Cisco, which is where we will be ordering all of
our food from. Ray: So they typically wouldn't be eating
these kinds of American foods. And what kinds of foods
do you expect to run across in Norway?
Tishel: I was told that they have a
very large meal over there with a lot
of the seafood because they are right near the ocean
so there's lobster, crab
they don't do a lot of the white fish
like we have here. They're more of the salmon type
of fish, so. Ray: And not as much red meat probably obviously as we have. [Correct]
Tishel: And that's why they look forward to that steak every year. Ray: I bet they do
yeah. Um.....
what are some of the...what are you finding as similarities
when you get together with Norwegians? What are some of the similarities
that you've experienced? Andrew: So one of the cultural
similarities that I've picked out from almost right from
the get go on my first NOREX was the
Minnesota nice aspect that we always discuss here. And
I always kinda wondered where that came from. And
and when I met the Norwegians within
a few hours I realized that we share
that. And I always kinda when I explain
it to my family, do the joke like when I say
would you like this? And then you say, well no that's ok.
And then I say, well please take it. And then we go back
and forth maybe two or three times before I finally take your "no"
for what it is. [laughter] And...
I picked up on that right away. It's the same shtick
so to say. Ray: Similarity. Andrew: Absolutely. Ray: We have a lot of
Norwegians in Minnesota. [Correct] A lot of Norwegians in
central Minnesota, too. I'm kind of curious
both of you joined the guards in high school.
[Mmhmm] What was it that triggered that for
you, I'm kinda curious about that. Because in my era
when I joined it was mostly after
high school or after college or back
in my era there was a draft, too, for people that got in the draft.
But what attracted you guys to get into the military?
Andrew: You go first. Tishel: The reason why I joined
is up in Roseau we do have a lot of flooding.
And the National Guard was one of the
main sources that came and helped with a lot of
that and I wanted to make sure that I was part of that because
I cared about my community a lot, so that was one of the reasons.
And then the other benefit of it was
there was college assistance. So....
Ray: Which is a very important thing. Tishel: Yes, college is very
expensive. So that was another reason. And
I'll be honest, I really liked the uniform so
that was another reason why I decided to join. Ray: That's very cool.
Andrew: I had a grandfather that was in World War 2, another
grandfather that was served shortly thereafter in the
101st Airborne Division. And uncle
who was like an older brother to me who served in the
reserves when the reserves still had infantry. And
I grew up with the stories and I grew up with that aspect
of it. And as well as the college portion of it
that was a big deal as well. But, that
kind of all played a part in me joining. Ray: So Andrew, you were a junior
too in high school or were you a senior? Andrew: I was a senior. Ray: And you were a junior? Tishel: I was yes.
Ray: When you joined. And are you finding a lot
of guard members that are joining when they're in high school?
Is that still pretty common thing? Andrew: I believe so.
Absolutely. Ray: And when Camp Ripley serves
the training in the summer time....
do you know how many units come from outside of the
state of MInnesota? Andrew: You know, I couldn't
answer a specific amount. But it is a regional
training facility now. So we do get soldiers
from all over the mid west that come here and train.
As well as emergency management individuals
and as well as MNDOT for plow training and what not.
Ray: Is there still a.....camp
in Sparta, Wisconsin that you know of? Is that still operational?
Andrew: You know, I'm unsure. [Ok] I know
that there's Fort McCoy somewhere down there. Ray: That's...yeah that's it. Andrew: And they are still operl
but they would be federal as a fort and
then we are like...you know like a state owned
entity with federal dollars that comes in as well. [Right, right]
Ray: So getting back to the Norwegian thing again
do you see this going on
long term? Is it something that's just been beneficial to both
organizations so that they can keep doing this do you think?
I mean, I know you don't make the decisions for that but. Tishel: I would hope
so cause I mean we have a lot of soldiers that I
know that have gone and they really enjoy the experience
and the different training and just
the different culture so I would hope that they
would continue to do this.
Ray: Let's just talk a few minutes if you don't mind about some of
the other things that people see if they've never been to
Camp Ripley. What...kinds of buildings
what kinds of things are going on there? Because I know when
I was there back in the 60's it's changed a lot.
I know you have at least a museum.
I think of all the animals from Minnesota...isn't that
there somewhere, an educational center?
Andrew: There is. Ray: And what is that....for? What
is that educational center? Andrew: So that educational center
is in the training and community center.
And it...what it's for is I believe a lot of the students go there
and what not. And it's set up in such a way where
they can identify the animals the different
animals that are native to Minnesota. And then later
on they can pull out their worksheets and then they can see whether
or not they got them right or not. It's a very
it's an amazing training tool. I've been there, I've seen it because
the amount of animals they have in there is...
it's amazing. Ray: And you have....what
other kinds of buildings or facilities do you have at camp?
You're probably there all the time you don't think
about it. But for somebody that just comes in and isn't familiar
at all with the camp what would they see? Andrew: I think what they'd take away
is how modern it's become. Even since I've started
there a lot of the old buildings when you think the
old army with the old tin buildings or
green tents or what not have been replaced with
education centers with all the latest technology.
We can communicate with other
facilities as though we're right there in the meeting
no one has to drive anywhere with you know the
technologies that are embedded in all the facilities now.
The new style of barracks that are being
built are so much better than what they used to be.
One would even say that each individual soldier has a small
little bit of privacy that wouldn't have been afforded to a soldier
of maybe in the 1960's, 70's
or 80's or heck even when I started in the 90's.
So there's a lot of that that you'll see. And you'll notice
that the big take away that I see from Camp
Ripley is not only how modern it is but
how clean it is. I mean everything is
upkept so nice. And everything is taken care of.
And you don't see broken windows and you don't see decrepit buildings.
And which is a testament to the
state employees that maintain the facility. Ray: And you also
have solar don't you have some solar gardens there? [We do]
And what do they do, what's the purpose of that? Are they actually
providing heat or hot
water or something? Or is that a demonstration site? I know
it got hit by a tornado I believe. Andrew: Right, so....
Ray: You had to start over with some of that. Andrew: We do have some buildings that are
geo thermal heated. [Oh really?] Which is kinda neat. And
then....some of them. And then we also have the solar
plant. And the solar plant actually feeds back
in to the electrical grid. So it doesn't necessarily
power Camp Ripley proper. It's contributing
to the grid itself. Ray: That's pretty cool.
So when people...you talked about snow.....plow
drivers, state employees coming to get trained,
do they do that in that educational building that you have
then? Is that kind of a multi purpose setting?
Andrew: That particular one that you're referencing is
purely for environmental students and what not. We have a
a much larger educational facility that
has state of the art class rooms in it, state of the art technology
designed for adult learning in the modern
way that we teach and instruct things. And that is
also attached to the dining facilities
so everything is co-located. And that's where the MNDOT
employees...they're in that area [Ok] so they'll eat there
they'll dine there, they'll use those particular facilities.
And then I think they're out in the maintenance base and what not, too, because
of the type of training that they're doing. Ray: So
on the culinary side are you responsible for ordering the food
for the camp? Is that part of your role? Tishel: That is actually contracted.
[Ok] They do have a
civilian side that does track all of the
other entities that would come into Camp Ripley. And then
we just track on the military side, just the military
units that are coming. [Cool] So we could have
anywhere from you know, 100 to 500 soldiers
and on the civilian side they could have anywhere from
10 to 120 people coming in
from whether it's the DNR, State Patrol,
different counties that are doing SWAT training
um, schools.
I know they have a lot of schools that come through. Ray: So it's really
expanded it's role hasn't it, that camp, from what it was
back in my era it was pretty much just military operations.
So now it's making use of state resources.
And training state employees in a variety
of levels. And you mentioned the conservation officers,
highway patrol, that's pretty cool. Tishel: Yeah they have...the driving
course out there. And I know my husband is a
deputy with Stearns county and they do a lot of their
drivers training and all kinds of active shooter
training down range at Camp Ripley and
then they also have a law enforcement facility that
they just built with a lot of....they have like the
behind the wheel driving stuff that not only we use
but I believe they use as well. Ray: So if a person were
interested to go to camp and just see what it's like do they have
to make an appointment for that? How do they get into the camp
to just to see what it is? Andrew: Well, what they
do is they come up and as long as they have a valid ID
and then especially like if they want to go see the
museum or whatever, security will ask them what their reason
is to be on post. But yes, the public is welcome.
And they just need to have a valid ID to get on post. Ray: Is there a cost to go see
the museum? Andrew: I believe it's a small fee
5 dollars give or take. Ray: Ok, have either of you
been in active duty? Tishel: I have not, no.
Andrew: I have been in active guard reserve but that's
very different than active duty. Ray: Not in the war zone. Andrew: Absolutely not.
Ray: Or anything like that. Andrew: Deployed to Bosnia and that was it.
Ray: So, my voice personally is
that every healthy kid coming out of high school
should be either in the peace corp or in the military. I thought
my military experience was a wonderful experience.
And I don't regret a minute of it.
Is recruitment going well for the National Guard? I know
you guys aren't recruiters, but is it still
are the....most of the organizations in the state
doing pretty well? Andrew: From what I've....been
told Minnesota is actually one of the better states
for recruiting. It seems like the youth in Minnesota are very
interested in joining the military and giving back and serving.
And that's...a testament to the state. Ray: It is.
And you know you look at the Red Bull ? units in some of the
over seas assignments they've had, they've had quite a few.
[Correct] Back in the 60's it was assumed the
National Guard only took care of things state side.
But our desert wars have changed that
significantly. Are you seeing many veterans
from the wars coming to camp? I suppose
you see some of those in the summer time? [Absolutely] Coming back with some of
these units? [Absolutely] Yeah. And um....
20 years is a pretty good time to serve. It's
there's a lot of benefits. Do you plan to go beyond the 20 years
as who knows? Andrew: I'm at 23 now, so. Ray: Oh you're at
23. So you're already going past that, good for you. [laughing]
Good for you. How about an airport? What's the airport condition like
at the camp? I mean, planes come and go there right? [Yes]
[They do] And I think you're flying C-17's?
Or not C-17's? Andrew: C-130's? Ray: C-130's cause
I see those from time to time. Those are
big humongous airplanes if no ones every been inside of one.
And they really can get up on a short runway.
They have so much power. [Absolutely] So what.....what's housed out there? What
do you have at camp? Andrew: So as far as the air field
goes I think it's...the air guards are located at
different locations. And they'll come and use
that runway to do training. So they'll fly their
train and then they'll fly out. We also have the
aviation for the Army. So you have your black hawks and then you have your
Chinooks that we have. And then we also have the unmanned
aerial recon vehicles, I'm not sure if that's the term
they still use. But they have their own little runway over there
too, I shouldn't say little, it's pretty big. I've been out on it. But
they're doing the unmanned training over there as well. Ray: So is that airport
in operation year round? Andrew: It is. Ray: It is.
And the people that work in that
are they private citizens? Or are they military?
Andrew: There's a combination of I believe they are contractors
and then they also have what we would call
green suiters or active duty or active guard or technicians.
Overseeing operations. Ray: So do you have many
military units that come to camp in the winter time to train
for winter operations?
Andrew: It slows, but there's always units training. Ray: There are.
Andrew: Even in the winter time. Ray: Really? Andrew: Correct.
Ray: And to your knowledge where are the farthest ones come from? What states
would be some of the long distance that they come from for
training? Andrew: Oh goodness, they come from all over. Tishel: All over.
Andrew: I guess ah... Ray: Really? Out west? Down south?
Alabama, Arkansas? Andrew: Absolutely. I mean heck even
the Canadians come. Ray: Really oh really? [Absolutely] So you have an
exchange program with them? Or is it just that they....? Andrew: They're coming to
train at Camp Ripley. Ray: But you don't go back to Canada and
do any training there? Andrew: I haven't been invited walleye fishing yet. [laughs]
I can hold out hope. Tishel: I'll take you. Ray: And when....the
Canadians come to Camp Ripley what are they looking for for experiences
there? Andrew: I think it's just a good facility. And it's
close to where they're at. So it's a good one to
good one to train in. Ray: I'm out of time. It went
fast. So pretty easy. You guys did a great job. Thank you for coming
and if anybody wanted to find out more about Camp Ripley
you have a website? Andrew: Ah, we do have a website.
Ray: And if you do we'll post it at the end of the show so you don't have
to memorize it if you didn't want to. [Thank you] But thank
you very much for jumping on board we appreciate it very much.
Interesting program you're doing with the Norwegians but I think
for people who have not been to Camp Ripley in the last 15 years
they really should just go there and see what a great place it is.
Thank you very much. [Thank you] You've been watching
Lakeland Currents where we're talking about what you're talking about.
I'm Ray Gildow, so long until next time.
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