This is teacher Jennifer here with Teacher Patricia and we're here at
CATESOL so teacher Patricia can you introduce yourself please yes my name is
Patricia Hernandez and I've been teaching citizenship for a long time
where do you teach right now oh I've taught in Los Angeles and right now I'm
teaching in Santa Monica oh and are you teaching the strictly citizenship yes
okay and are you teaching is citizenship in English or Spanish? English I have
been my past when I have students who are qualified they're going to be
eligible to take the test in Spanish then I put them in a small group and I
can work with them I certainly speak Spanish but for my group as a whole I
always run it in English because that's the majority number here but I always
work I had don't presently have anybody who is eligible to take the test in
Spanish so okay let us continue you told me a very interesting story about one of
your students from Oaxaca Mexico can you talk about that yes she went a little
over a week ago and she was what very well prepared
the striking thing her opening part the very beginning of the interview the
officer was very pleasant very nice however when they got into the office
and she was sworn in the first thing she did is she asked for the green card and
the the second ID but she asked for all the passports and so my student put all
the passports there the officer looked through the passports and said to my
student why are there only five stamps here and then the officer then proceeded
to take out printed sheet with 25 dates of when my student had crossed the
border from from probably from Tijuana back to the United States and my student
was floored when she came and told me the story I was floored and the officer
said these are how many trips these are 25 trips that you've taken this year and
she said my student just looked the officer in the eye and said well five
trips because I go to oaxaca and I stayed two or three weeks and the other
trips are because I'm going the dentist and I go and I come and I'm
not something very common that I'm very very San Diego cross over the border or
from sorry from Los Angeles of course for health services yes yes and it's
very clearly stated on the n400 that the only trips that they want printed or put
listed are the the trips that are more than 24 hours and so clearly she's going
she's going to the dentist and returning she's doing all this in the same day so
they would not be included on her in 400 then the officer right so she shown her
this list and my student is looking she's beginning to ask officer then says
she queries her she asks her your mother is ill why what is she sick of what are
her what is her illness and so my my student proceeds to explain what that is
and then she talks about what why else are you going in my student says because
I'm going to the dentist and my student never never takes her eyes off of it
arias more she recounted this when she came to class she said to everyone in
class she said I looked straight at the officer I was telling the truth
but I'm looking straight at the officer and I'm explaining to her so the officer
when I think I'm gonna take a second why is maintaining my contacts so important
oh because the officer is clearly assessing the student to see if she's
lying number one I'm the teacher and I'm just
thinking about what happened this is the first time that I have ever had and I've
taught for 35 years that I have a student who tells me that the officer
pulls out a printed sheet of all of their trips across the border I don't
have no nurse and I'm sure that they know because every time you come back
you have to put your yeah so they would know that but that I'm gonna say that I
believe that they had of the officer or somebody else in the in the in USCIS had
thought that she might be doing some illegal activity that's my assumption
they didn't that's why she was very very detailed about she said not what is
wrong with your mom and just what kind of illnesses does she have my MA is
right and then after that then my my student indicated that the other trips
were coming back back and they were just going to oh it was very interesting
because after that the officer said well are you the only daughter as if somebody
else should be taking care of the mother so that was another question in the
interview and my student said no I have several brothers but I'm the one who
goes they don't live with her just like my student doesn't live with her but
goes back and checks on her then so then then she justified or she didn't justify
she just explained you know I go to the dentist I'm having dental work done and
this is what I have you said very simply right no she looked at her straight in
the eye and she said this what I was gonna say I lost my train of thought
it'll come back to me. But I'm gonna go back to when you said a lot of times people
drop their gaze as a show of respect. But she held the officers gaze not as a
challenge, but to demonstrate that she is telling the truth. Yes it's true. And when my
student came back to class she reinforced that to everyone else she
said I never my gaze never left her eyes I looked her straight in the eye and I
answered and tell she was simply telling the truth but she didn't look down she
looked her straight in the eye she made a conscious effort to do that clearly
there was a moment when enough explanation had been that she had
convinced the officer and the officer said okay that's done turned over the
paper printed sheet turned it over and then she's persuaded to the hundred
questions now my student was still in shock because my student is really
really tense she's looking at the officer straight in the eye and she's
like this and she said I was frozen and so the officer the first question the
officer asked was you know what is the rule of law and my student was just
still frozen or but the officer had clearly been convinced because at that
point said all right now just we're going to the hundred question so she had
already said that before but my student wasn't able to make that transition so
then she did she just in us is okay it's gonna be
okay you know just right and then started with another one and then she de
freezed so she should be frozen or whatever but then and she was quite able
to answer the five questions that came up there was a lot about the in about
the application but none of that was different the most different part was
when I see when this student explains it there's a printed sheet with all her
trips just for this year thanks to the students of Safa Milpitas Adult School a
special thanks goes out to dr. Patricia Hernandez and all our friends and
colleagues at CATESOL please visit us on our YouTube channel where you will
hear the second part of Dr. Hernandez's interview in Spanish where she retells
the story with some added detail also check our show notes for more
information about talking about travel for your US citizenship interview please
visit us also on our web at US citizen pod com
thanks for listening I know you will be a great American citizen thank you so
much bye-bye
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