>> TO WHAT DEGREE OF CERTAINTY
DO YOU BELIEVE BRETT KAVANAUGH
ASSAULTED YOU?
>> 100%.
>> I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT DR.
FORD MAY HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY
ASSAULTED BY SOME PERSON, IN
SOME PLACE, AT SOME TIME.
BUT I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS TO
HER OR TO ANYONE.
>> Rosemary: ON THIS THURSDAY
NIGHT, HE SAID-SHE SAID,
TESTIMONY THAT DIVIDES PEOPLE,
POLITICAL PARTIES AND AN ENTIRE
NATION.
CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AND BRETT
KAVANAUGH TELL THEIR STORIES AS
A CONSERVATIVE AND LIFETIME
SUPREME COURT SEAT HANGS IN THE
BALANCE.
>> Andrew: WE'LL LACK AT WHAT
THEY SAID, HOW WAS RECEIVED
INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE ROOM AND
WHY REPUBLICAN SENATORS LEFT
THEIR QUESTIONS TO A FEMALE
PROSECUTOR.
EDGE OF THE SEAT MIX OF MEMORY,
POLITICS AND CULTURE.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL".
>> Rosemary: IT WAS EMOTIONAL,
DRAMATIC AND AT TIMES EXTREMELY
POLITICAL.
A U.S. SUPREME COURT
CONFIRMATION HEARING THAT FELT
MORE LIKE A TRIAL.
FOR BOTH BRETT KAVANAUGH AND THE
WOMAN ACCUSING HIM OF SEXUAL
ASSAULT.
PAUL HUNTER WALKS US THROUGH
WHAT WAS AN EXPLOSIVE DAY IN
WASHINGTON.
>> DO YOU WARE SWEAR --
>> Reporter: THERE SHE WAS,
CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD SET TO GO.
AND THEN SEPARATELY BRETT
KAVANAUGH.
BOTH SWEARING TO TELL THE TRUTH
EACH WITH AN UTTERLY DIFFERENT
STORY.
>> WHEN I GOT THE TO THE --
>> Reporter: FIRST, IT WAS
FORD'S HARROWING TALE OF SEXUAL
ASSAULT AT A HIGH SCHOOL
GATHERING 36 YEARS AGO.
>> I WAS PUSHED ONTO THE BED.
AND BRETT GOT ON TOP OF ME.
>> Reporter: LOCKED IN A
BEDROOM, SHE DESCRIBED KAVANAUGH
AS VISIBLY DRUNK, GROPING HER,
PULLING AT HER CLOTHES.
>> I BELIEVED HE WAS GOING TO
RAPE ME.
I TRIED TO YELL FOR HELP.
WHEN I DID, BRETT PUT HIS HAND
OVERMY MOUTH.
I THOUGHT BRETT WAS GOING TO
ACCIDENTALLY KILL ME.
>> Reporter: KAVANAUGH AND A
FRIEND WITH HIM WERE LAUGHING,
AS SHE PUT IT UPROARIOUSLY.
IT'S HAUNTED HER EVER SINCE.
>> THIS COULD NOT BE A CASE OF
MISTAKEN IDENTITY?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
>> Reporter: SHE'S COMING
FORWARD FOR CIVIC DUTY.
BUT IF FORD WAS MEASURED, COME
HIS TURN, KAVANAUGH SEEMED
ENRAGED.
>> THIS IS A CIRCUS.
THE CONSEQUENCES WILL EXTEND
LONG PAST MY UNANIMOUS NATION.
THE CONSEQUENCES WILL BE WITH US
FOR DECADES.
YOU'VE REPLACED ADVICE AND
CONSENT WITH SEARCH AND DESTROY.
>> Reporter: HE CALLED IT
LAST-MINUTE SMEARS, A LEFT WING
CONSPIRACY DENYING EVERY
ACQUISITION.
AT TIMES CHOKING UP.
HERE, NOTING HIS YOUNG DAUGHTER
PRAYS FOR CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.
>> WE MEAN NO ILL-WILL.
>> Reporter: STILL KAVANAUGH'S
FURY WAS EVIDENT, CONDEMNING THE
PROCESS, BLAMING DEMOCRATS FOR A
CALCULATED POLITICAL HIT AND
EMPHASIZING --
>> I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED
INTO WITHDRAWING FROM THIS
PROCESS.
YOU'VE TRIED HARD.
>> Reporter: LIKEWISE DEMOCRATS
WERE UNDETERRED, PRESSING
KAVANAUGH ON ASPECTS HE WAS
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH.
IS HE NOW OPEN TO A DEEPER
INVESTIGATION.
>> I WELCOME WHATEVER THE
COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO BECAUSE
I'M TELLING THE TRUTH.
I'M TELLING THE TRUTH.
>> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT
TO DO, JUDGE.
>> I'M INNOCENT OF THIS.
THEY DO INVESTIGATE QUESTIONS.
AND YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS,
JUDGE, YOU CAN'T SAY HERE IN THE
BEGINNING --
>> I WANT --
>> -- ANY KIND OF INVESTIGATION.
>> THIS THING WAS SPRUNG ON ME.
>> Reporter: SO IT WENT, WITH
KAVANAUGH ALWAYS RETURNING TO
ONE MAIN POINT.
>> BUT I SWEAR TODAY UNDER OATH
BEFORE THE SENATE AND THE
NATION, BEFORE MY FAMILY AND
GOD, I AM INNOCENT OF THIS
CHARGE.
>> Reporter: HAVING HEARD ALL OF
THAT, THE QUESTION FOR U.S.
SENATORS NOW IS BRETT KAVANAUGH
WORTHY OF SITTING ON THE SUPREME
COURT FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE?
IS THERE ANY REASON TO THINK HE
MAY BE UNFIT FOR THE JOB?
DO YOU BELIEVE HIM OR HER?
>> Rosemary: THE PRESIDENT HAS
BEEN VOCAL ABOUT THIS, SAYING
YESTERDAY HE WAS GOING TO WATCH
AND SEE HOW IT PLAYED OUT.
WHAT IS HE SAYING TONIGHT?
>> Reporter: RECALL LAST NIGHT
DONALD TRUMP SUGGESTED WHILE HE
STILL BACKED KAVANAUGH, HIS MIND
COULD CHANGE ON THAT DEPENDING
ON TODAY'S TESTIMONY.
NO SOONER DID IT END HE TWEETED.
HIS TESTIMONY WAS POWERFUL,
HONEST AND RIVETING.
HE LABELLED DEMOCRATS
DISGRACEFUL AND THE PROCESS A
SHAM.
>> Rosemary: KAVANAUGH'S
SELF-DEFENCE WAS FIERCE AND
MOTIVATED HIS SUPPORTERS INSIDE
THE COURTROOM AND OUT OF THE
COMMITTEE HEARING ROOM.
WHILE FORD'S ENERGY WAS CALMER,
IT WAS NO LESS POWERFUL.
>> THE ASSAULT ON ME DRASTICALLY
ALTERED MY LIFE.
FOR A LONG TIME I WAS TOO AFRAID
TO TELL ANYONE THESE DETAILS.
I DID NOT WANT TO TELL MY
PARENTS THAT I AT AGE 15 WAS IN
A HOUSE WITHOUT ANY PARENTS
PRESENT DRINKING BEER WITH BOY.
ONCE HE WAS SELECTED AND IT
SEEMED IT WAS A SURE VOTE, I WAS
CALCULATING DAILY THE RISK
BENEFIT FOR ME OF COMING FORWARD
AND I WOULD JUST BE PERSONALLY
ANNIHILATED.
>> WHAT IS THE STRONGEST MEMORY
YOU CANNOT FORGET?
>> THE LAUGHTER, THE UPROARIOUS
LAUGHTER BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND THEIR HAVING FUN AT MY
EXPENSE.
I WAS UNDERNEATH ONE OF THEM
WHILE THE TWO LAUGHED.
TWO FRIENDS HAVING A REALLY GOOD
TIME WITH ONE ANOTHER.
>> Rosemary: IT WASN'T JUST HIGH
EMOTION INSIDE THE ROOM.
DEMONSTRATORS ON BOTH SIDES
TURNED OUT IN BIG NUMBERS.
WE'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE BACKING
JUDGE KAVANAUGH A LITTLE LATER,
BUT HERE'S A LOOK AT SOME OF
THOSE WHO STOOD BEHIND FORD.
[ * ]
* GOING TO KEEP ON WALKING
>> Rosemary: SOME PEACEFULLY
SANG TO SHOW SOLIDARITY.
OTHERS STRUCK A MORE FORCEFUL
TONE.
>> WE BELIEVE!
>> Rosemary: THESE DEMONSTRATORS
MADE NO BONES ABOUT WHAT THEY
WANTED TO SEE.
>> WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
KEEP BRETT KAVANAUGH OFF THE
SUPREME COURT.
>> WE BELIEVE IN HER!
>> Rosemary: ONE LARGE GROUP OF
PROTESTERS TRIED TO BLOCK THE
STREET ACROSS FROM THE SUPREME
COURT UNTIL THE POLICE MOVED IN.
IN NEW YORK, A GROUP OF WOMEN
DID MORE THAN SPEAK UP FOR
BLASEY FORD, THEY SCREAMED AT
THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS.
STEVEN D'SOUZA TELLS US WHY.
>> WE BELIEVE CHRISTINE!
WE BELIEVE SURVIVORS!
>> Reporter: AS THE HEARING
BROKE FOR LUNCH, THE EMOTION
THESE WOMEN FELT WATCHING
CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD ERUPTED.
[SCREAMING]
>> Reporter: THEIR RAGE IS
PROMPTED BY THIS.
>> BRETT PUT HIS HAND OVER MY
MOUTH TO STOP ME FROM YELLING.
>> I THINK WHEN WE WERE ALL
TOGETHER HERE, IT SEEMED TO MAKE
SENSE TO SCREAM ON HER BEHALF.
>> IT FELT LIKE SHE WAS ON TRIAL
AS THE VICTIM WHICH IS REALLY
PAINFUL TO WATCH.
WHEN SHE TALKS ABOUT SMALL
DETAILS LIKE REMEMBERING THEIR
LAUGHTER.
THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT
RINGS TRUE.
AND I THINK IT PROBABLY AFFECTS
MORE WOMEN THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE AWARE OF.
>> Reporter: BRINGING THAT
PERSONAL STRUGGLE TO A VERY
PUBLIC STAGE IS WHY SOME CALL
THIS A DEFINING MOMENT FOR
AMERICA.
>> THE IMPORTANT THING, THERE IS
PUBLIC OUTRAGE.
THERE IS A POLITICAL, LARGER
POLITICAL MOVEMENT AND RECKONING
THAT IS NOT OK, THIS IS NOT
ACCEPTABLE.
>> Reporter: STILL SOME WORRY
KAVANAUGH'S NOMINATION WILL GO
AHEAD REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS
SAID TODAY.
>> IT KIND OF DESTROYS ME.
IT TAKES AWAY A LOT OF FAITH IN
OUR SYSTEM.
>> Reporter: A MESSAGE THEY FEAR
THAT SOME IN THE SENATE WON'T
EVEN CONSIDER.
STEVEN D'SOUZA, CBC NEWS, NEW
YORK.
>> Rosemary: WE'VE HEARD MANY
TIMES OVER THE PAST YEAR AND
MORE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR
WOMEN TO COME FORWARD WITH THESE
ALLEGATIONS OF PAST SEXUAL
ASSAULT.
THAT TODAY'S LANDMARK HEARING,
DID IT OPEN ANY SPACE THERE FOR
OTHERS TO TAKE THE LEAP OF
FAITH?
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS ASKED SOMEONE
WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING
LIKE THIS IN CANADA.
>> Reporter: BEFORE #METOO, THE
STORIES WERE LONELIER.
AS ONE OF JIAN GHOMESHI'S
ACCUSERS, LINDA REDGRAVE'S
TESTIMONY WAS SHREDDED.
WATCHING THIS BRINGS IT ALL
BACK.
>> IT'S SO HARD TO BE UP THERE
IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC AND
TRYING TO TELL YOUR STORY AND
HAVE THEM DISSECTING IT.
>> Reporter: THE JIAN GHOMESHI
TRIAL STARTED THE RECKONING OF
THE SEXUAL VIOLENCE.
BUT FOR EVERY NEW HASH TAG,
REDGRAVE SAYS THERE IS STILL THE
SAME OLD QUESTIONS.
>> PEOPLE ARE NOW STARTING TO
UNDERSTAND THERE ISN'T A CERTAIN
SCIENCE TO THE WAY PEOPLE
RESPOND AND REACT TO TRAUMA OR
TO SEXUAL VIOLENCE.
I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND I'M
REALLY HAPPY FOR THAT, BUT I'M
REALLY SAD THERE ARE SO MANY
PEOPLE THAT NEEDED TO SUFFER
PUBLICLY BECAUSE OF IT.
>> HOW OLD WERE YOU AT THE TIME?
>> I WAS IN THE SECOND GRADE.
>> Reporter: AND MORE WOMEN ARE
SPEAKING OUT.
A POLITICAL SHOW GOT AN
UNEXPECTED CALL PROMPTED BY
TODAY'S TESTIMONY.
>> AND I THOUGHT I WAS OVER
THIS --
>> Reporter: A 76-YEAR-OLD WOMAN
SHARING THE STORY OF HER ASSAULT
WHEN SHE WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL.
AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA, CELEBRITIES
BROKE THEIR SILENCE.
>> OUR MISSION IS TO INVESTIGATE
EVERY CASE --
>> Reporter: POLICE IN TORONTO
BELIEVE THE #METOO MOVEMENT IS A
BIG FACTOR BEHIND A 16% SPIKE IN
REPORTS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE
LAST YEAR.
BUT WHILE THE FLOODGATES OPEN,
AND HOT LINES, TOO, CRISIS
CENTRES LIKE THIS ONE ADMIT THEY
DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO KEEP
UP.
>> THEY MIGHT CALL US AND ASK
FOR SUPPORT AND WE HAVE TO TELL
THEM THERE IS A TWO-YEAR WAIT
LIST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH FUNDING.
I THINK IT BEGS THE QUESTION,
WHAT ARE WE ASKING SURVIVORS TO
COME INTO?
>> Reporter: IT CAN BE AVOIDED.
REDGRAVE CREATED HER OWN SUPPORT
GROUP FOR SURVIVORS AND SEES
TODAY AS A WIN.
>> SO WHERE IS THE VICTORY?
>> THE VICTORY IS IN HER BEING
BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME FORWARD AND
SPEAK OUT AGAINST SOMEBODY.
>> Reporter: WHATEVER THE
OUTCOME.
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Rosemary: WE SHOULD MAKE IT
CLEAR THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH HAS
HIS OWN SUPPORTERS AND MANY ARE
WOMEN.
SOME OF THEM VOICED THAT SUPPORT
TODAY.
>> WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE,
UNFORTUNATELY, IS A PATTERN OF
DEMOCRATS PUSHING FORWARD
ALLEGATIONS THAT AS SOON AS YOU
PRESS ON THEM, START TO FALL
APART.
THEY DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED 35 YEARS AGO.
THEY CARE ABOUT WHAT HE'S GOING
TO DO FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
WE HAVE LEADERS WHO ARE WILLING
TO TURN UPSIDE DOWN A SACRED
PRINCIPLE OF THE PRESUMPTION OF
INNOCENCE FOR WHATEVER MOTIVE.
THAT IS DANGEROUS.
AS WOMEN, AS MOMS, AS WIVES, AS
SISTERS, AS DAUGHTERS, WE SHOULD
BE VERY CONCERNED AND DEMAND
NOTHING BUT FAIRNESS.
>> Rosemary: WE HEAR FROM THE
NOMINEE IN PAUL'S PIECE THERE,
BUT BRETT KAVANAUGH LASHED OUT
AT THE WAY THE ALLEGATIONS HAVE
BEEN TREATED AND GOT FIERY
SUPPORT FROM A POLITICAL
VETERAN.
>> THIS GROTESQUE AND
COORDINATED CHARACTER
ASSASSINATION WILL DISSUADE
COMPETENT AND GOOD PEOPLE OF ALL
POLITICAL PERSUASIONS FROM
SERVING OUR COUNTRY.
YES, WE WENT TO PARTIES, YES, OF
COURSE, WE WENT TO PARTIES AND
THE YEARBOOK PAGE DESCRIBES THAT
AND KIND OF MAKES FUN OF IT.
AND YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO SIT
HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER A
SUPREME COURT NOMINATION SHOULD
BE BASED ON A HIGH SCHOOL
YEARBOOK PAGE, I THINK THAT'S
TAKING US TO A NEW LEVEL OF
ABSURDITY.
>> THIS IS THE MOST UNETHICAL
SHAM SINCE I'VE BEEN IN
POLITICS.
AND IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO KNOW
THE TRUTH, YOU SURE AS HELL
WOULDN'T HAVE DONE WHAT YOU'VE
DONE TO THIS GUY.
ARE YOU A GANG RAPIST?
>> NO.
>> I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY HAVE GONE THROUGH.
BOY, YOU WANT POWER, GOD I HOPE
YOU NEVER GET IT.
>> Rosemary: DAVID WAS TODAY A
FAIR EXERCISE, A USEFUL ONE?
>> IT CERTAINLY IS NOT.
THE PEOPLE WHO HAD POWER OVER
THE HEARING CERTAINLY ARE NOT
HERE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF
WHAT HAPPENED.
THEY'RE HERE TO NOT SEEM TO
SQUELCH DR. FORD THE WAY ANITA
HILL WAS.
IN THAT SENSE, IT'S DESIGNED TO
SIMULATE A FAIR PROCESS, BUT
IT'S NOT A FAIR PROCESS.
WE ALL THINK WE'RE GOOD JUDGES
OF OTHER PEOPLE.
WE PROJECT OURSELVES ON OTHER
PEOPLE.
WE LOOK AT THE WORST KIND OF
EVIDENCE IS THIS WITNESS
TESTIMONY.
BECAUSE WHAT WE HEAR, WE THINK
WE'RE HEARING SOMEONE ELSE,
WE'RE LOOKING INTO A MIRROR AND
HEARING OURSELVES.
>> Rosemary: WHAT STRUCK ME WAS
WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT HE
WAS A VICTIM OF THE CLINTONS
BECAUSE OF HIS INVOLVEMENT IN
THE KEN STARR REPORT.
HERE'S PART OF THE OPENING
STATEMENT.
>> THIS WHOLE TWO-WEEK EFFORT
HAS BEEN A CALCULATED AND
ORCHESTRATED POLITICAL HIT
FUELLED WITH APPARENT PENT-UP
ANGER ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
THE 2016 ELECTION, FEAR THAT HAS
BEEN UNFAIRLY STOKED ABOUT MY
JUDICIAL RECORD, REVENGE ON
BEHALF OF THE CLINTONS, AND
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN MONEY
FROM OUTSIDE LEFT WING
OPPOSITION GROUPS.
>> Rosemary: SO WHAT DOES THAT
TELL US ABOUT HIM AND WHETHER HE
IS GIVING THAT RATHER PARTISAN
GIVEN, WHETHER HE'S EVEN SUITED
FOR THE JOB?
>> WELL, IT IS TRUE HE IS --
WE'VE HAD PARTISAN SUPREME COURT
JUSTICES BEFORE.
LET'S NOT HAVE ILLUSIONS ABOUT
THAT.
BUT WHAT WAS STRIKING ABOUT THE
OPENING STATEMENT HOW MUCH WAS
FOR THE FOX NEWS AUDIENCE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE KNOW
WHAT BORKING IS, WITH HEARINGS
OF ROBERT BORK.
IT WAS A STATEMENT FROM THE
HEART OF THE CONSERVATIVE WORLD
SPEAKING TO A CONSERVATIVE
AUDIENCE.
JUST AS DONALD TRUMP IS TRYING
TO BE PRESIDENT FOR ONLY PART OF
THE AMERICA, BRETT KAVANAUGH IS
SPEAKING TO PART OF AMERICA TO
SUPPORT HIM TO GET HIMSELF ONTO
THE SUPREME COURT.
>> Rosemary: WATCHING THAT FROM
HERE, IT WAS ASTOUNDING.
WHAT SHOULD WE AS CANADIANS TAKE
FROM THE FACT THAT THIS IS
PLAYING OUT THERE IN THE WAY
THAT IT IS?
>> WELL, IT CERTAINLY MAKES YOU
THINK THAT AMERICAN SYSTEM OF
NOMINATING AND APPROVING JUDGES
IS ONE NOT TO BE EMULATED.
WHAT YOU WANT IS HAVE THESE
ALLEGATIONS HEARD IN PRIVATE,
BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLICATED
MATTER.
IF BRETT KAVANAUGH IS RIGHT, HIS
REPUTATION WILL NEVER RECOVER
FROM THESE THINGS AIRED IN
PUBLIC.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SCREENED
BY THE F.B.I. IN PRIVATE.
AND DOES THAT PRIVATE FACT
FINDING SHOULD HAVE BEEN SETTLED
BEFORE THE HEARING TOOK PLACE.
THE WAY THIS IS BEING BATTLED IS
ONE THAT IF HE IS CONFIRMED WILL
LEAVE MANY PEOPLE FEELING THE
SUPREME COURT CONTAINS A PERSON
GUILTY OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.
IF HE IS DEFEATED, AGAIN IT WILL
CONTINUE TO POLITICIZE THE
SUPREME COURT.
>> Rosemary: YOU SAY IT'S LESS
LIKELY HE'LL BE TURNED DOWN?
>> THE REPUBLICANS HAVE THE
VOTE.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MORE PROBABLE
THAN NOT HE WOULD GET CONFIRMED.
BUT THE THING THAT WOULD CHANGE
THIS, IF THE REPUBLICANS SEE A
LOT OF POLLS THAT A LOT OF
REPUBLICAN SEATS ARE IN TROUBLE
THAN WERE IN TROUBLE THREE DAYS
AGO, THAT MAY CHANGE MINDS.
>> Rosemary: HOW MUCH IS ABOUT
THE MIDTERMS AND THE POLITICAL
CLIMATE?
>> A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT THE
MIDTERMS, BUT REPUBLICANS ARE
WILLING TO TRADE SENATE SEATS
FOR THE SUPREME COURT SEAT.
IS IT ONE THAT LOCKS IN A COURT
THAT HAD A 4-4 DIVISION WITH ONE
FLOATING JUDGE, JUDGE ANTHONY
KENNEDY, HIS NOMINATION,
KAVANAUGH'S NOMINATION LOCKS IN
A 5-4 CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME TONIGHT.
THE SENATE COMMITTEE IS
SCHEDULED TO VOTE ON THIS
TOMORROW AND IF THEY APPROVE
JUDGE KAVANAUGH'S NOMINATION,
THEY WILL MOVE TO A VOTE OF THE
FULL SENATE.
>> Andrew: IT BEARS MENTIONING
AS THE FORD-KAVANAUGH HEARING
WAS PLAYING OUT, DONALD TRUMP
WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH DEPUTY
ATTORNEY GENERAL, ROD
ROSENSTEIN, AND THERE WAS
SPECULATION HE WOULD BE FIRED.
THAT MEETING WAS PUT OFF.
THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS BOTH SIDES
AGREED TO MEET NEXT WEEK TO
AVOID INTERFERING WITH THE
HEARING.
AT ISSUE, A "NEW YORK TIMES"
REPORT THAT ROSENSTEIN DISCUSSED
RECORDING TRUMP AND WORK TO
REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE.
>>> HERE IN CANADA, THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO
STRIP MYANMAR'S LEADER AUNG SAN
SUU KYI OF HER HONORARY CANADIAN
CITIZENSHIP.
THERE HAD BEEN GROWING PRESSURE
TO DO SO IN THE WAKE OF THE
ROHINGYA CRISIS.
SOMETHING THIS COUNTRY HAS
CHARACTERIZED AT GENOCIDE.
THE MOVE DOES REQUIRE A GREEN
LIGHT FROM THE SENATE.
>>> I'M CALLING GALLANT TO DO
THE HONOURABLE THING AND
RECOGNIZE HE LOST THE ELECTION.
>> Andrew: ANOTHER DAY AND
POLITICAL DRAMA IN NEW
BRUNSWICK.
BLAINE HIGGS CALLS ON THE
LIBERAL LEADER TO RESIGN.
NEITHER PARTY WON ENOUGH SEATS
IN MONDAY'S ELECTION FOR A
MAJORITY, BUT WHILE THE P.C.s
CAME OUT AHEAD, THE LIBERALS
HOPE AN ALLIANCE WITH THE GREENS
WILL KEEP THEM IN POWER.
HIGGS WANTS THE LEGISLATURE
CALLED BACK AND A CONFIDENCE
VOTE HELD, WHICH DEPENDING ON
HOW IT GOES, COULD PUT THE P.C.s
IN A POSITION TO GOVERN.
STILL AHEAD... CRITICS CALL HIS
VIEWS ANTI-MUSLIM, BUT TOMMY
ROBINSON SEES HIMENTS AS --
HIMSELF AS A FREE SPEECH
ACTIVIST.
>> Rosemary: COULD WE SEE THE
SAME STORY PLAY OUT IN QUÉBEC?
>> TRUMP SAYS HE DOESN'T LIKE
CHRYSTIA FREELAND.
WHY THAT MIGHT PLAY A BIG PART
IN THE NAFTA NEGOTIATIONS.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: AMERICANS ARE FINDING
THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE TOUGH
BECAUSE CANADIANS
>> Andrew: YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S HARSH
COMMENTS ABOUT FOREIGN AFFAIRS
MINISTER CHRYSTIA FREELAND.
TONIGHT, TRUMP'S ENVOY TO CANADA
IS DIALLING THAT BACK AND DOING
DAMAGE CONTROL.
KELLY CRAFT IS CALLING FREELAND
SMART, ARTICULATE AND HER
COMMENTS CAP A WHOLE DAY OF
SUPPORT FOR FREELAND.
HERE'S KATIE SIMPSON.
>> Reporter: IF THE PRIME
MINISTER IS BOTHERED BY DONALD
TRUMP'S INSULTS, HE'S NOT
LETTING IT SHOW.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: THE AMERICANS ARE
FINDING THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS
ARE TOUGH, BECAUSE CANADIANS ARE
TOUGH NEGOTIATORS.
>> Reporter: MEMBERS OF CABINET
FIERCELY DEFENDED THE WOMAN
LEADING CANADA'S NAFTA
NEGOTIATION TEAM.
>> I THINK MINISTER FREELAND IS
DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB AT A
DIFFICULT TASK ON BEHALF OF ALL
CANADIANS AND I THINK ALL
CANADIANS OUGHT TO BE VERY
GRATEFUL.
>> Reporter: THERE WERE NO KIND
WORDS FROM DONALD TRUMP
YESTERDAY WHEN HE LASHED OUT AT
CHRYSTIA FREELAND WITHOUT USING
HER NAME.
>> WE'RE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE
NEGOTIATIONS AND THE NEGOTIATING
STYLE OF CANADA.
WE DON'T LIKE THEIR
REPRESENTATIVE VERY MUCH.
>> Reporter: IT IS NO SECRET
THERE IS TENSION IN THE NAFTA
NEGOTIATING ROOM WHERE BIG
PERSONALITIES COMPETE AND AT
TIMES CAN CLASH.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER SOME OF
THAT ANIMOSITY IS
SELF-INFLICTED.
>> COMPETENT AND HONESTY AMONG
ELECTED LEADERS AND IN OUR
PUBLIC SERVICE MATTER.
>> Reporter: THE U.S. NOTICED
WHEN FREELAND CRITICIZED TRUMP
AT A REWARDS RECEPTION IN
WASHINGTON THIS SUMMER AND
PARTICIPATED IN A PANEL
DISCUSSION IN TORONTO CALLED
TAKING ON THE TYRANT, WHERE A
VIDEO COMPARED TRUMP TO THE
REGIME OF RUSSIA AND CHINA.
THIS FORMER TRADE NEGOTIATOR
SAYS TRUMP APPEARS TO BE
OVERREACTING.
>> IF HE ALLOWS THAT KIND OF
PETTY ISSUE TO NAG HIM, THEN HE
IS TELLING US MORE ABOUT HIMSELF
THAN HE SHOULD.
>> Reporter: TRUMP'S PERSONAL
TEMP RA MMENT MAY BE A FACTOR.
>> THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO HAVE
DIFFICULTY WITH WOMEN, SO STRONG
SMART WOMEN CAUSE THEM PROBLEMS.
>> Reporter: WHETHER THEY LIKE
EACH OTHER OR NOT, FREELAND HAS
TO SIT DOWN WITH U.S.
NEGOTIATORS AT SOME POINT, BUT
RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO CONCRETE
PLANS FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF
FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS.
>> Rosemary: STILL AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL", FIRST WE SAW A
MINORITY GOVERNMENT IN B.C.
THEN IN NEW BRUNSWICK, VOTERS
ARE SENDING A MESSAGE.
BUT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
LISTENING?
THE "AT ISSUE" PANEL IS HERE.
>> Andrew: ALL EYES WERE ON THE
KAVANAUGH HEARING.
HOW THE WORLD SEEMED TO STOP AND
WATCH.
>> I THINK OUR KIDS A
ASK OUR OFFICIALS TO REACH OUT
TO HOPEFULLY START DISCUSSIONS
WITH THE GREEN PARTY TO SEE IF
THERE COULD BE SOME TYPE OF
AGREEMENT WHERE WE COULD
MAINTAIN THE CONFIDENCE OF THE
HOUSE.
IT'S EVIDENT HE'S DESPERATE TO
HOLD ONTO POWER.
>> Rosemary: NEW BRUNSWICK IS IN
A POLITICAL DEAD LOCK.
WORDS YOU NEVER THOUGHT YOU'D
HEAR ME SAY.
LIBERAL LEADER, THE PREMIER
STILL, BRIAN GALLANT WANTS THE
FIRST CRACK AT FORMING
GOVERNMENT.
HE'S TURNED TO THE GREEN PARTY
FOR HELP.
THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER BLAINE
HIGGS IS NOT GOING DOWN WITHOUT
A FIGHT.
ALL THIS DAYS BEFORE ANOTHER BIG
ELECTION IN THE COUNTRY, QUÉBEC.
COULD THERE BE THE SAME KIND OF
OUTCOME AND HOW IS OTTAWA
READING THE RESULTS?
"AT ISSUE" IS HERE WITH THAT AND
MORE.
ANDREW COYNE, ALTHIA RAJ.
IT'S NOT OFTEN WE DO "AT ISSUE"
ABOUT PROVINCIAL POLITICS, BUT
THERE ARE INTERESTING THINGS
HAPPENING HERE.
I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT WRIT
LARGE, FEDERALLY.
LET'S START WITH WHAT HAPPENED
IN NEW BRUNSWICK.
I'LL PUT THIS ONE TO YOU,
ANDREW.
HOW DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD READ
THE RESULTS?
WE KNOW THE LIBERALS ARE GOING
TO TRY TO HOLD ONTO POWER, EVEN
BRIAN GALLANT SAYING UNTIL
CHRISTMAS, BUT WHAT DOES THAT
TELL US ABOUT THE WAY
FIRST-PAST-THE-POST IS WORKING
IN THIS COUNTRY OR AT LEAST IN
NEW BRUNSWICK RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL, IT'S DEJA VU, THIS
LOOKS LIKE THE B.C. ELECTION
LAST YEAR.
AND THERE IS COMMONALITIES.
ONE IS WE'RE STARTING TO SEE
MORE PARTIES IN THE POLITICAL
LANDSCAPE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TWO-PARTY
POLITICS IN A LOT OF THE
PROVINCES.
AND FIRST-PAST-THE-POST IS
REALLY SUITED TO THAT, YOU GET
CLEAR RESULTS WHEN THERE IS A
TWO-PARTY SYSTEM, BUT WHEN YOU
GET, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, IT GETS
COMPLICATED AND YOU CAN GET
THESE RESULT, NOT ALWAYS OF
COURSE, BUT WHERE YOU HAVE TWO
PARTIES WITH ALMOST THE SAME
STANDING AND THIS KIND OF
SHOWDOWN THAT COMES AFTERWARDS.
I THINK WHAT IS ALSO INTERESTING
TO POINT OUT IS WHAT IS NOT
HAPPENING.
IT'S HAPPENING IN B.C. AS WELL.
YOU DON'T SEE THE PARTIES
CAPITULATING TO ONE ANOTHER.
YOU DON'T SEE THE LARGER PARTY
GIVING THE SMALL PARTY WHATEVER
THEY WANT.
THIS IS RELEVANT BECAUSE WHEN
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION, THEY SAY THIS IS
THE SCENARIO YOU'LL GET WITH THE
LARGE PARTIES AND SMALL PARTIES
AND THE LARGE PARTIES WILL GIVE
IN TO THE EXTREMIST FRINGE
PARTIES.
THE REASON YOU'RE NOT SEEING
THAT HAPPEN, THEY'RE ALL GOING
TO HAVE A FACE ELECTION AGAIN.
IF THE LARGE PARTY IS SEEN TO
HAVE SOLD OUT TO AN EXTREMIST
PARTY OR THE SMALL PARTY SOLD
OUT TO THE LARGE PARTY, THEY'RE
GOING TO PAY A PRICE WITH THE
SUPPORTERS.
THERE IS GOING TO BE NEGOTIATING
AND EVERYBODY HAS TO WUT WATER
IN THEIR WINE.
>> Rosemary: YOU WROTE ABOUT
THIS PLAYING OUT IN QUÉBEC.
THE ELECTION IS MONDAY.
THINGS ARE TIGHT BETWEEN THE KRK
AND THE LIBERALS AND PEOPLE ARE
LOOKING AT OTHER PARTIES THEY
MAY NOT HAVE LOOKED AT IN THE
PAST, BECAUSE THEY REALIZE A
REFERENDUM IS NO LONGER IN THE
OFFERING.
I'M GOING TO PUT UP THE POLL
TRACKER.
>> WELL, YES, BUT IT'S A MIX OF
THINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST THERE IS NOT
SOVEREIGNTY AND THEY'RE LOOK AT
OTHER PARTIES, IT'S ALSO CO-- AS
IN NEW BRUNSWICK, THERE ARE MORE
PARTIES ON THE BALLOT.
THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE
LIBERALS AND THEN THE BLOC
QUEBECOIS CAME ALONG AND NOW THE
N.D.P. IS ALSO A PARTY TO RECKON
WITH.
THAT'S HAPPENING PROVINCIALLY,
TOO.
AND FROM WHAT WE SEE IN THIS
ELECTION AT LEAST, AND I SUSPECT
IT PLAYS OUT IN OTHER PROVINCES
WHERE THE GREENS HAVE DONE WELL,
THE MILLENNIALS WHO ARE BECOMING
THE LARGER CORE OF THE
ELECTORATE, FOR SOME REASON HAVE
FIGURED OUT POSSIBLY BETTER THAN
WE DID, THAT TO MAKE A NATIONAL
ASSEMBLY OR PARLIAMENT WORK, YOU
NEED DIVERSITY OF VOICES.
YOU DON'T NEED TO VOTE TO WIN,
YOU VOTE TO HAVE DIFFERENT
VOICES YOU LIKE IN THE
LEGISLATURE AND THE RESULT IS
MORE FRAGMENTED ELECTORATE AND
RESULTS THAT ARE UNPREDICTABLE.
ANDREW DIDN'T NEGLIGENCE THAT,
BUT IN THE -- MENTION THAT, BUT
IN THE CASE OF NEW BRUNSWICK,
THE LIBERALS DID WIN QUITE A FEW
MORE VOTES THAN THE
CONSERVATIVES.
BUT THAT'S AN ADDED TWIST THAT
YOU'VE GOT A PARTY THAT HAS GOT
A LOT MORE VOTES THAT CAME
SECOND IN TERMS OF SEATS.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO CLAIMING
LEGITIMACY, BOTH OF THEM HAVE A
CLAIM.
>> Rosemary: HOW DO YOU THINK
THAT WILL PLAY OUT IN THE
ELECTION ON MONDAY WATCHING FROM
HERE, HOW WILL THAT -- DON'T
PREDICT THE ELECTION, BUT -- HOW
DO YOU THINK THE ISSUES WILL
FACTOR IN?
>> I THINK A LOT OF THE VOTERS
IN QUÉBEC ARE VOTING FOR CHANGE.
SO WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE
OFFERING, THEY HAVE MORE OPTIONS
TO LOOK AT.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN NATIONALLY AND
IN OTHER PROVINCIAL
LEGISLATURES, EVEN IF YOU'RE A
SMALL PARTY YOU CAN HAVE A
DIFFERENCE AND SOMETIMES YOUR
PARTY CARRIES MORE WEIGHT.
YOU THINK OF ELIZABETH MAY IN
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, SHE HAS
QUITE A BIT OF WEIGHT AND SHE'S
ONE LONE PERSON AND A LIBERAL
BACK BENCHER WHO MAY NOT ALWAYS
AGREE WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND
KEEPS THEIR MOUTH SHUT.
MILLENNIALS, AND I AM ONE OF
THEM, SOMETIMES THINK MAYBE
HAVING MORE CHOICE IS NOT A BAD
THING AND MAYBE COOPERATION IS A
GOOD THING.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE ALLERGIC
TO GIVING PARTIES THE CHANCE TO
WORK TOGETHER.
THINK I THAT'S BASICALLY THE
LESSON IN NEW BRUNSWICK AND IT'S
PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE LESSON
IN QUÉBEC AS WELL.
>> Rosemary: WHAT IS THE LESSON
FOR FEDERAL PARTIES WATCHING
THIS?
MAXIME BERNIER, ELIZABETH MAY,
THESE PEOPLE OFFERING VERY
SPECIFIC LITTLE THINGS MAYBE, OR
BIG THINGS, YOU KNOW WHAT I
MEAN, SMALL PARTIES MIGHT TAKE
COMFORT IN WHAT THEY'RE SEEING?
>> YEAH, WE'RE GETTING A GLIMPSE
OF THE FUTURE.
THERE ARE ALREADY SEVEN PARTIES
REPRESENTED NOW IN THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS.
IF YOU INCLUDE MAXIME BERNIER'S
PEOPLE'S PARTY AND ERIN WEIR
REVIVED.
>> Rosemary: THAT IS GENEROUS OF
YOU.
>> BUT CERTAINLY WE HAVE FIVE.
AND YEAH, TO TAKE UP THAT POINT.
PEOPLE ARE LESS MOORED TO THE
OLD TWO PARTY OR THREE PARTY
SYSTEM.
YOU SEE THE N.D.P. DOING WELL IN
ATLANTIC CANADA IN RECENT YEARS.
YOU'RE SEEING NEW PARTIES LIKE
THE PEOPLE ALLIANCE IN NEW
BRUNSWICK.
AND WE NEED A SYSTEM THAT IS
GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, CAN
MAKE THAT WORK FOR PEOPLE SO WE
DON'T SIT THERE WAITING ON
ELECTION NIGHT FOR THE ACCIDENTS
OF THE SPLIT VOTE.
THAT IS PART OF WHAT MAKES THE
QUÉBEC ELECTION SO
UNPREDICTABLE.
YOU HAVE FOUR PARTY SPLITS.
EVEN IF THE POLLS ARE RIGHT, YOU
DON'T HAVE TO CLEAR IDEA WHAT
THAT MEANS IN THE SEAT COUNT.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS ILL
SUITED TO THE POLITICS.
>> LET'S AGREE ON ONE THING.
IF ONE OF THE PARTIES IN QUÉBEC,
IT'S NICE TO HAVE CHOICES, BUT
THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH FOUR
DAYS TO GO, A LOT OF VOTERS
SAYING I DON'T REALLY LIKE ANY
OF THE CHOICES.
NONE OF THE PARTIES HAS MANAGED
TO SAY I'M IT, OR GIVE VOTERS
REASON TO SAY THIS IS WHO WE
WANT, AND THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE
RESULTS MIGHT BE A SLIP IF THEY
WILL BE.
IF YOU HAVE TO SUM UP WHAT
QUÉBECERS WOULD LIKE, IT REMAINS
A MINORITY GOVERNMENT.
THEY WANT TO TRY SOMETHING OUT
WITH A CHANCE TO BRING IT BACK
FOR A REFUND QUICKLY IF THEY
DON'T LIKE IT.
AND THAT TELLS YOU NOBODY HERE
IN THIS PROVINCE HAS RUN A VERY
EXCITING INSPIRING CAMPAIGN TO
TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
>> Rosemary: LAST WORD ON THIS
AND THEN ANOTHER TOPIC.
>> SOUNDS LIKE MY SHOPPING
HABITS.
BUY SOMETHING, BRING IT BACK IF
YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
I THINK THAT -- YOU KNOW, WHEN
YOU LOOK BACK AT WHAT THE PRIME
MINISTER SAID LAST YEAR, TWO
YEARS AGO, WHEN HE RENEGED ON
THE ELECTORAL REFORM, HE SAID
P.R. WAS GOING TO BE BIG AND IT
WAS GOING TO GIVE ELECTORAL MAP
OF FRINGE CANDIDATES AND IT WAS
BETTER TO HAVE BIG TENT PARTIES
THAT BROUGHT THE VOICES.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE PUBLIC
IS COMFORTABLE HAVING A PIECE OF
PARLIAMENT AND WHILE IT'S TRUE
THAT ON MONDAY THERE MAY NOT BE
A CLEAR WINNER AND IT MIGHT MEAN
THAT THE ROAST OF US ARE
LEARNING A LOT ABOUT HOW WEST
MINISTER GOVERNMENT WORKS AND
WHAT THE NORMS ARE AND
CONSTITUTIONAL PRACTISES, IT'S
NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR OUR POLITICAL LEADERS TO BE
ACCURATE AND CLEAR WITH THE
ELECTORATE ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE
ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN NEW BRUNSWICK, I
DON'T KNOW IT'S REALLY HELPFUL
FOR THE P.C. LEADER TO COME OUT
AND SAY THE LIBERAL LEADER DOES
NOT HAVE A MANDATE BECAUSE
THAT'S NOT HOW THE SYSTEM IS
SUPPOSED TO BE PLAY OUT.
LET'S ALL BE GRIPPED TO THE EDGE
OF THE SEATS AND SEE HOW THE
POLITICAL LEADERS DEAL.
>> IT MAY BE THE VOTERS ARE
GETTING MORE SOPHISTICATED.
I WANT TO DO A GO AROUND ON
DONALD TRUMP IN TERMS OF WHAT HE
SAID ABOUT CANADA'S NEGOTIATING
TACTICS.
DURING THE EPIC PRESS
CONFERENCE, HERE'S A REMINDER.
>> FRANKLY WE'RE THINKING ABOUT
JUST TAXING CARS COMING IN FROM
CANADA, THAT'S THE MOTHER LODE,
THAT'S THE BIG ONE.
WE'RE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE
NEGOTIATIONS AND THE NEGOTIATING
STYLE OF CANADA.
WE DON'T LIKE THEIR
REPRESENTATIVE VERY MUCH.
>> Rosemary: ONE GO ROUND ON
THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS I GUESS IT
IS PART OF HOW HE NEGOTIATES AS
WE COME UP TO THIS DEADLINE THAT
CHANTAL DOESN'T LIKE ME TO CALL
A DEADLINE, BUT THE THING ON
SUNDAY THAT EVERYONE IS CALLING
DEADLINE.
DOES WHAT HE DID THERE YESTERDAY
CHANGE ANYTHING FOR CANADIANS IN
TERMS OF THEIR HOPES ABOUT
GETTING A DEAL HERE?
>> WELL, ONE, IF THE HOPE WAS TO
HAVE SOME CANADIAN PRESSURE
POLITICAL AT LEAST PUT ON
TRUDEAU, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT A FEW MORE
NEWS CONFERENCE LIKE THAT THEN
JUSTIN TRUDEAU WILL WANT TO CALL
AN ELECTION ON IT, BECAUSE EVERY
TIME THAT HAPPENS OVER THAT
PRESS CONFERENCE WHICH WAS
SURREAL, MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO BE LOOKING AT DONALD TRUMP
AND SAYING, WELL, IF WE CAN'T
GET A DEAL WITH THIS GUY, IT'S
NOT OUR GUY'S FAULT.
>> YEAH, WHEN YOU PERSONALIZE IT
THAT WAY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
MAKE YARDS IN CANADIAN PUBLIC
OPINION.
LOOK, LOTS OF PEOPLE IN CANADA
FIND THIS GOVERNMENT ANNOYING.
BUT WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS IT, I
THINK PEOPLE TEND TO TAKE THE
SIDE OF THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT
RATHER THAN TRUMP.
I DON'T KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAVE
MUCH IMPACT.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAD INTENT OR
IF HE WAS RRIFFING.
>> IT WAS A LITTLE STREAM OF
CONSCIOUSNESS.
>> I THINK HIS INTENT WAS TO SAY
TO THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT I'M
READY TO IMPOSE AUTO TARIFFS.
I THINK WHAT ALSO HAPPENED
YESTERDAY WAS THAT WE SAW DAVID
MacNAUGHTON, OUR AMBASSADOR TO
THE UNITED STATES SAY VERY
CLEARLY WHAT IS AT STAKE AND WHY
CANADA IS NOT BUDGING.
THE IDEA WE SIGN AN AGREEMENT
BUT ALLOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES TO CLAIM A NATURAL
LOOPHOLE, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN IF
WE SIGN A DEAL ON NAFTA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE BACKING
THE GOVERNMENT ON THAT ONE.
>> Rosemary: WHICH I THINK IS
THE CONSERVATIVES' WORST
NIGHTMARE, THIS IS GOING TO BE
AN ELECTION WHERE IT'S TRUMP
VERSUS TRUDEAU AND THEN WHAT
HAPPENS.
>> EASY TO IMAGINE.
>> Rosemary: WE'RE GOING TO
LEAVE IT THERE.
THANKS, EVERYBODY.
BEFORE WE GO, SUBSCRIBE TO THE
"AT ISSUE" PODCAST EDITION.
HOW THE CONSERVATIVES ARE USING
CRIME AS A WEDGE ISSUE.
>> Andrew: STILL LOTS MORE TO
COMMON OTT "NATIONAL", INCLUDING
A RAUCOUS DAY OUTSIDE OF A
COURTHOUSE AS PEOPLE RALLIED IN
SUPPORT OF TOMMY ROBINSON.
>> SPOKE THE TRUTH.
>> THIS IS THE FAR RIGHT,
ANTI-MUSLIM ACTIVIST WITH A
HISTORY OF VIOLENCE WHO WAS SENT
TO PRISON FOR BREAKING THE LAW.
>> Andrew: TOMORROW NIGHT ON
"THE NATIONAL", IT'S BEEN A WEEK
SINCE THE OTTAWA-GATINEAU AREA
WAS HIT BY SIX TORNADOES.
WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW PEOPLE ARE
DEALING WITH THE DAMAGE LEFT
BEHIND AND THE CLEANUP AHEAD.
>> VERY VIOLENT.
YOU OK?
>> THIS IS THE MAIN DAMAGED ROOM
WHERE THE TREE CAME IN.
>> HOLY --
>> I HAVE MY AMAZING KIDS AND
HUSBAND AND FRIENDS.
NATIONAL", A NEW CORONER REPORT
IN B.C. LOOKING AT 900 DRUG
OVERDOSE DEATHS LAST YEAR AND
THE YEAR BEFORE.
IT FOUND MOST OF THOSE HAPPENED
NOT ON THE STREET, BUT WHILE
PEOPLE WERE ALONE AT HOME.
A VAST MAJORITY OF THE VICTIMS,
81% OF THEM, WERE MALE.
DRUG OVERDOSES ARE STILL CAUSING
MORE THAN THREE DEATHS A DAY IN
B.C.
>> AT THE TIME YOU MADE THESE
STATEMENTS, COULD NOT SECURE
FUNDING FOR THE PROPOSED
TRANSACTION.
>> THAT'S THE SEC ANNOUNCING
TODAY IT'S SUING ELON MUSK.
THE LAWSUIT CENTRES ON TWEETS
WHERE HE CLAIMED A SECURE
FUNDING TO TAKE TESLA PRIVATE.
MUSK CALLED THE ACTION
UNJUSTIFIED.
>> WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON A
POWERFUL SLOW MOVING TYPHOON
HEADING TOWARD JAPAN.
IT'S TRACKING ACROSS THE PACIFIC
TOWARD THE SOUTHWESTERN ISLAND.
FORECASTERS SAY IT WILL LIKELY
HIT IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO AND
WHEN IT DOES, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
WARNED TO EXPECT DESTRUCTIVE
WINDS AND HEAVY RAIN.
>>> WELL, IT WAS A CHAOTIC SCENE
OUTSIDE A LONDON COURTHOUSE AS
HUNDREDS OF SUPPORTERS AND
COUNTERPROTESTERS GREETED THE
MAN KNOWN AS TOMMY ROBINSON.
THE 35-YEAR-OLD APPEARED BEFORE
A JUDGE ON CONTEMPT OF COURT
RELATED TO AN INCIDENT IN MAY.
ROBINSON HAS GARNERED A GLOBAL
AUDIENCE ONLINE, PRESENTING
HIMSELF AS A FREE SPEECH
ACTIVIST, BUT CONSIDERED AN
ANTI-I SEE ISLAM AGITATOR.
THOMAS DAIGLE HAS MORE.
>> Reporter: HIS NAME RALLIES
THOSE WITH LIKE MINDED VIEWS.
AN ARMY SO PASSIONATE ABOUT HIS
CAUSE, THEY SHOW UP OUTSIDE THE
COURTHOUSE WHEN HE'S INSIDE.
>> SPEAK THE TRUTH, ABOUT -- YOU
KNOW WHAT ABOUT.
ISLAM, SHARIA LAW.
>> Reporter: HE FANCIES HIMSELF
A JOURNALIST WITH PROVOCATIVE
STATEMENTS.
>> WE HAVE TO STOP ISLAM.
>> A Facebook LIVE STREAM
ULTIMATELY GOT HIM ARRESTED
REPORTING IN HIS OWN WAY OUTSIDE
A TRIAL WITH A PUBLICATION BAN.
AUTHORITIES CONSIDERED IT
CONTEMPT OF COURT.
>> THIS IS A FAR RIGHT
ANTI-MUSLIM CRIMINAL.
>> LOOK AT HOW ROBINSON FIRST
BECAME KNOWN A DECADE AGO BY
LEADING CHAOTIC RALLIES WITH THE
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE.
A GROUP PROMOTING BRITISH VALUES
OVER WHAT IT CONSIDERED CREEPING
SHARIA LAW.
>> LOOK AROUND YOU, FEEL YOUR
STRENGTH.
>> Reporter: AMONG HIS FOLLOWERS
BACK THEN WAS IVAN HUMBLE, HE
NOW REJECTS THE GROUP, BUT KEEPS
THE TATTOO AS A REMINDER OF HOW
ENTHRALLED HE BECAME.
>> THERE WAS NOBODY LISTENING TO
ME AND I FOUND A VOICE IN THE
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE TO
SELF-BLAME, UNCONSCIOUSLY, YOU
DON'T REALIZE.
BECAUSE YOU READ THE SAME STUFF.
YOU DON'T REALIZE IT'S AFFECTING
IN YOUR HEAD.
>> Reporter: IT'S THE FIRST TIME
HE RETURNS TO THE TOWN HALL
SINCE THE GROUP WAS BANNED HERE
IN THE HEART OF ROBINSON'S HOME
TOWN.
HIS OLD STOMPS GROUNDS, ROBINSON
CHANNELLED FIERCE OF ISLAM AS A
THREAT TO LOCAL CULTURE.
THEN TURNING TO SOCIAL MEDIA,
ROBINSON GAINED AN OVERSEAS
AUDIENCE AND A BIG BOOST FROM
CANADA.
>> WHAT HE SAYS IS CLEAR AND
PHILOSOPHICAL.
>> Reporter: LIKE MINDED FIRE
BRAND EZRA LEVANT OFFERED
ROBINSON A PLATFORM ON HIS
ALTERNATIVE NETWORK, REBEL
MEDIA.
RACKING UP MILLIONS OF VIEWS
WITH STUNTS LIKE THIS.
>> YOU'RE SCUM, YOU'RE DEFENDING
CHILD RAPISTS.
>> Reporter: ANTAGONIZING THE
ACCUSED AND THEIR FAMILIES
OUTSIDE RAPE TRIALS.
>> EXPOSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
>> Reporter: AND BLAMING ISLAM
AS THE SOURCE OF THE CRIME.
>> INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THE
INDIVIDUALS THAT PERPETRATE THE
CRIMES, HE CALLS WHOLE OF OF THE
MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND ISLAM
RESPONSIBLE.
>> HIS SUPPORTERS SAW HIS ARREST
AS AN ATTACK ON FREE SPEECH.
THEY MARCHED IN HIS DEFENCE,
MANY LIKELY UNAWARE THE
DEMONSTRATION WAS PARTLY FUNDED
BY A THINK TANK AN OCEAN AWAY.
>> HOW DO YOU SPEND MONEY THAT
GOES TO SUPPORT, GIVE AIR,
OXYGEN TO THESE COMMENTS?
>> SO, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OXYGEN
TO THE COMMENTS, IT'S ABOUT HIS
RIGHT TO SAY IT.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR AN AMERICAN
ORGANIZATION TO STAND UP FOR
SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT THE THREAT
OF ISLAMISM AND IT'S OCCURRING
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
>> Reporter: RELEASED FROM
PRISON ON AUGUST 1, ROBINSON
GAVE FEW INTERVIEWS.
BUT A PRIME TIME SPOT ON FOX
NEWS CONFIRMED HIS AUDIENCE HAD
REACHED GLOBAL PROPORTIONS.
>> THE MINUTE YOU CRITICIZE
ISLAM YOU'RE ATTACKED BY
EVERYBODY.
>> Reporter: AS HIS RETRIAL GOT
UNDER WAY TODAY AND THREAT OF
PRISON TIME LOOMS, HIS
SUPPORTERS SHOWED THEY'LL HAVE
HIS BACK.
AND WHEN HE SPEAKS HIS MIND,
THEY'LL LISTEN.
THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS, LONDON.
>> Rosemary: MOMENT OF THE DAY
IS NEXT.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO
TUNED INTO THE FORD-KAVANAUGH
HEARING.
SOME WERE IN CLASS, DOCTORS'
OFFICE OR MID FLIGHT.
>> FOR ME, PERSONALLY, IT'S BEEN
VERY HARD TO WATCH, VERY
DIFFICULT TO SEE SOMEONE
STRUGGLE WITH WHAT IS VERY
>> Hi, I need the, uh...
>> Yeah, that way, yep.
>> Okay.
[loud footsteps]
>> Yeah. Out of my way.
*
>> Rosemary: AMERICANS OFTEN GET
CAUGHT UP WATCHING WASHINGTON'S
MANY DRAMAS.
TODAY WAS A REMARKABLE DAY, ONE
THAT SEEMED TO HAVE EVERYONE
REALLY TRANSFIXED.
SOME VIEWED BRETT KAVANAUGH'S
NOMINATION HEARING A TONE DEAF
RESPONSE TO A BIGGER ISSUE OF
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
FEW AMERICANS MISSED IT.
WHERE, HOW AND WHY THEY WATCHED
IT IS TONIGHT'S "MOMENT."
>> I WATCHED THE HEARINGS TODAY
NOT IN MINNEAPOLIS, THOUGH.
I WAS ACTUALLY AT 37,000 FEET.
I SAW THE FIRST HEARING ON MY
HAWAII TO SEATTLE FLIGHT.
AND THE SECOND HEARING FROM
SEATTLE TO MINNEAPOLIS.
>> I THINK THE WORLD IS
WATCHING, OUR KIDS ARE WATCHING,
GIRLS AND BOYS.
>> I WATCHED IT ON MY iPad IN
THE CAR, ON MY PHONE IN THE
RESTAURANT.
WHEN I DIDN'T HAVE INTERNET
SERVICE, I LISTENED TO IT ALL
DAY LONG.
EVERYWHERE I WENT TODAY,
EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT IT.
PEOPLE INSIDE THE RESTAURANT
KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
EVERYBODY WAS JUST WATCHING.
>> I WATCHED KAVANAUGH'S
TESTIMONY.
>> IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT
I CATCH THE ENTIRE EVENTS OF
TODAY.
I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE HAVE A
TERRIBLE SEXUAL VIOLENCE PROBLEM
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
>> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
TO WATCH THIS HEARING AND PAY
ATTENTION TO THIS, BECAUSE IF
CONFIRMED, KAVANAUGH COULD
IMPACT OUR RIGHTS AND OUR DAILY
LIVES.
>> Andrew: ROSIE, I, LIKE YOU,
I'M SURE, WAS GLUED TO THE
HEARINGS ALL DAY.
I WONDER, THOUGH, NOT A GREAT
SURPRISE, PERHAPS THE GREAT
DISAPPOINTMENT, MAYBE, THE LACK
OF ANY DEFINITIVE CONCLUSION OR
CONSENSUS OUT OF THIS
POLITICALLY OR CULTURALLY IF
WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE NOW
THAN WE WERE WHEN THE DAY
STARTED.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, I MEAN,
BECAUSE IT DID COME DOWN TO HE
SAID-SHE SAID DAY AND YOU CAN
DECIDE WHAT YOU BELIEVE.
"TIME" IS REPORTING THAT THE
NATIONAL SEXUAL ASSAULT HOTLINE
SAW A SPIKE OF 147% CALLS ON
THURSDAY.
IF IT JUST GETS PEOPLE TALKING
ABOUT THE ISSUE, MAYBE IT'S
MOVED THE DIAL AND MOVED THINGS
A LITTLE BIT IN THAT DIRECTION.
OK.
THAT'S "THE NATIONAL" FOR
SEPTEMBER 27.
GOOD NIGHT.
>> Andrew: GOOD NIGHT.
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