cheering out Timmy Bruce president of the independent woman's voice and a fox
news contributor father Jonathan Morris Fox News religion analyst and Enrique
Acevedo Univision news anchor and we can let me start with you you know when you
look at these pictures and you look at the history of this law it has been in
place for a very long time well first of all I think we can all agree that family
separation is cruel it's inhumane and in this case is completely unjustifiable
there is no law in our immigration books that says that children can be separated
or should be separated from their parents that's just not the case right
now what we have is a policy implemented by the Trump administration zero
tolerance that it has resulted in over nineteen hundred kids been separated for
what do you make of Jeff Sessions explanation when he says you know when a
parent commits a crime the child cannot go to jail with them in order to keep
the family together and they're saying crossing the border illegally is
breaking the law so when that happens unfortunately temporarily while the
parents go through the process here because they're not going to be caught
and released anymore that they have to be separated so they're trying to find
safe places to hold these children we saw images of some of those those areas
obviously it's a terrible situation for families to be separated but it you know
when you look at it that way doesn't does that make any sense to you at all
not at all I think there's such a thing as discretion we're not putting
shoplifters behind bars in every case and separating them from their families
and they broke the law we're not putting people who are in possession of
marijuana behind bars in every case and separating them from their children and
they're also breaking the law so there's such a thing as this question and before
CEO tolerance was implemented that was the case with immigrant families we
don't need to separate immigrant families we don't need to separate
almost 2,000 kids from their parents just to make a point and use that as a
deterrent as chief of staff Kelley and Attorney General Sessions had said Tammy
the other thing that Jeff Sessions said about this is that since they sort of
became lacks in this program it was sort of understood by some people who wanted
to get into country that if you come as a family
they will let you through so this is a better way to come bring your kids and
now obviously that's changed right that's one of the problems with the
policy for years is that we effectively subsidize this kind of an approach that
people found out that if you have a child you're you're going to be caught
and released if you versus not having a child the New York Times reported in
April that in fact people are admitting this that families brought children
knowing that there is a better chance that they would get through and be
released and that others and this is the serious dynamic with both unaccompanied
minors and minors in general are people posing as parents so here we've got the
outrage is overcoming the facts and I'll give you an example there's three
reasons why parents or adults are separated from children one they're
posing as the parent and they're not the parent they're they're are a threat to
the child or they are put into criminal proceedings this is it's not a wholesale
one there's no it's it's and and so this is also again something that was
happening throughout the the Obama regime as well but it comes down to
catch and release but we've facilitated the choice of parents and others of
bringing children across the border in order to in a way game the system at the
border this is what the president wants to have stopped he stated he wants it
stopped all of us are outraged that were even in this dynamic and it comes down
to an orderly immigration dynamic and security at the border where we can
treat everyone with dignity and people are not encouraged to move into the
country in this fashion all right let me bring in father Jonathan father Jonathan
you have Catholic Bishops and you have Franklin Graham arguing that these
families need to be held together in fact the Catholic Bishops going as far
so far as to say that if anyone is helping to implement this program and is
Catholic they could potentially become excommunicated for being part of it okay
that was one bishop who actually suggested that and I don't think it
represents all of them but the fact is is that we have 20% more children in
this situation separated from their children this year compared to last year
so that's a big deal so we have to solve this and I don't think we're that far
away from solving and I mean both president
krump as well as the Republicans and the Democrats all say this is an outrageous
situation whose fault is it of course it's the there's people who are faking
bringing children over and saying that they're that they're their children
that's not of course there's people who are breaking the law coming over
illegally all of that is bad but the government has to be bigger than that to
say what are we going to do about it because there are children who are there
who are alone and it it's traumatic from them it's traumatizing for them and I
say this not from a theoretical perspective I live in the South Bronx I
see what's happening to these families with these children and I see children
who are here without parents okay the parents are definitely not perfect and
they shouldn't be crossing illegally but the government has to figure out what
we're going to do for the sake of these children all right so what what do they
do do they change the law do they incarcerate families together you know
Andrea Kay what's the solution because you got the people the folks who are
breaking the law and there is a law there is a border you're not allowed to
cross the border illegally and then you have I think everyone here in this
conversation and outside of it who really understands that this is not an
ideal situation the president made that clear himself
I appreciate the question Martha because we should be focusing on solutions and I
think that solution is not separating families there are very few examples of
governments using family separations throughout history and we don't want to
be part of that and the solution is just not building walls and reducing the
legal path for immigrants to come into this country and again separating
children from their parents I think the solution has to do with finding the root
causes of immigration with having a wider legal path so people can come here
and do the jobs that we need them to do there are a lot of solutions that we
could you know agree on in Congress but it seems that the extremes has taken
over the debate and now there's there's no space for for a comprehensive wait
you got you got a couple of bills that are going to be considered eventually it
looks like that would allow 25 billion dollars to build the wall as well as a
solution to this problem to keep families together so is that a workable
solution Tammy well info John let me just say that this is you we definitely
want especially if it's a misdemeanor dynamic where you can keep up families
together within a separate kind of facility so you don't have to separate
them and then that process is very quick as a matter of fact and then you can go
they can go home as a unit but that becomes the political argument of do
they go back home to their home country and others want them released here so
that can be very a very quick framework of sending keeping families together at
once a criminal proceeding is over usually within the same day and then
sent home the the other framework of I mean this is this is the solution I
think in general when it comes to how we handle keeping families together while
also respecting our laws here at home I you know Martha I think we we have to
can't forget that there is tremendous amount of hypocrisy over many different
administrations the fact that we have we are right now allowing people to come in
giving them work no doubt giving them work and then saying hey listen but you
can't be full members of our society because we do not want to do it Eve arif
I system in our country we do not want to actually find out who's illegal and
we can't forget that because it's in it we're taking advantage and there are
children who are growing up right now who have been here in the country for
their whole lives we're with families who simply the
parents are working but they cannot become full members ever society and
it's not helpful that's not the politics don't get in the way of a solution
because both sides would really rather not have the other side involved to come
up with a solution it seems it's a with this very hot debate so let's see where
it goes thank you very much great to have you here tonight
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