Hey it's Dr. Phil and I'm talking to you
from my conference room at Paramount Studios today,
and I am with Coach Mike here,
Mike Bayer, you were introduced to him
this season on the show because he's agreed
to help me with a lot of the folks
that we're working with this season
and he and I were having lunch
and we were talking about this
suicide pattern that we've been seeing
and we've got Kate Spade
has tragically taken her life,
Anthony Bourdain, Robin Williams,
we go back a little bit,
Chester Bennington from Linkin Park,
Chis Cornell from Soundgarden,
there's just been a lot of really
high profile suicides, right?
There's been a lot and I think
a lot of people are confused,
and looking for some answers.
You know, one of the things
that I get asked a lot is,
is this really happening more,
or is it just that because we've got the internet
and there's so much going on, coverage wise,
that we're just hearing about it more
or is it really happening more.
And so I really started doing
some research on this,
you and I have talked about this,
and the fact of the matter is sadly,
suicide rates are up, in fact there's
an increase in suicide rates 25%, since 1999.
And that's a lot in 18, 19 years.
That's a big jump don't you think?
It's really big considering
people can look at healthy options on the internet,
in who they pursue and what they follow,
and there's also the other route,
which is people getting into a really dark place.
Yeah, and so I dug a little deeper because,
I said okay so if there's been a substantial increase
in people that are taking their own lives,
who is it?
Who are the people who are taking their own lives.
One of the things that was really disturbing
to me is that the CDC reports that
54% have no history of mental illness.
And here's what that means,
that means they are untreated,
it doesn't mean they don't have mental illness,
it means because they have no history of mental illness,
that means they haven't been in treatment.
They've had mental illness, most likely,
but have not been treated for it,
because they have no history of mental illness
meaning they haven't engaged a treatment facility,
a treatment professional, so they'd either had
an untreated mental illness, or they have
encountered some kind of acute stress,
grief, abuse, some romantic breakdown,
some financial crisis.
So, 54% of these people had not engaged
any kind of mental health professional
or treatment facility before they took their life.
Which makes it really hard to know their diagnosis,
what the treatment plan would be,
how to actually help someone you know
a lot of people out there have friends
who they may be concerned about,
and they don't know how to talk to them.
Yeah but think about it, what you're saying
is so important because that means
they had not even been through
the first line of defense.
How many of those people,
even going to their first counselor,
that may be their counselor at their church,
their neighborhood therapist,
how many of those at even the first line
of intervention could have been saved
that never reached out.
Because CDC reports further that 90%
of the people that do take their life,
did have a mental illness at the time that they did it.
Yeah.
90% of them were not mentally healthy
when they did it, which means
it was an irrational decision.
They weren't thinking, mentally
and emotionally clearly, at the time
that they took their lives.
So, I think one of the things that
Mike and I are wanting to say is that
taking your own life is not something
that's done by rational people
it's something that's done by people
that are suffering from mental illness,
half of which never ask for help.
So that's very suggestive of an issue
of asking for help and we're gonna
talk about that in a little bit.
I'm curious you know one of the things
when we got together and I was asking
questions is, to understand
a little bit about the psychology
of someone who would take their own life.
You know there's so many different theories,
it's almost one of those taboo topics,
and I thought it would be really helpful
for you to explain what is the typical psychology
of someone who reaches that point.
Well, I will, and I'll tell you
the interesting thing is,
this is the tenth cause of death in America.
All the diseases, car wrecks, everything,
suicide is the tenth cause of people
losing their lives.
45,000 people a year take their own life
and the problem is this is not
a single factor phenomenon.
It is a complex, multi factor phenomenon
and what leads to suicide can be
a combination of a lot of things.
Often it involves problems with relationships,
it involves problems with drugs,
it involves problems with sickness
where someone is terminally ill
or they have a sickness that creates
a lot of pain and they lose hope,
it involves people that have career issues
problems with their job.
It involves people that have tremendous
financial burdens and they don't think
they can get out from under them.
Or they have big legal problems,
whether criminal or civil, but they just
feel that they're just completely overwhelmed,
and those are some of the complex
factors that lead to them,
that lead to the decision for suicide.
That's not so much about what they talk about
with themselves, and I'll tell you what
we've been on for awhile so I wanna do this
a couple of more times, what I wanna do next
the next time we sit down and talk,
I wanna talk about what are the warning signs
of somebody that is at risk for suicide,
whether it's you or somebody you love,
and then I also wanna talk about
what to do about it when you recognize it.
So what do you say we do that
the next couple of times we sit down?
Let's do it.
Okay, we're gonna be talking about this
in the future as well,
so next we're gonna talk about
what are the warning signs,
and what to do when you see them.
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