that's Korea best not make any more threats to the United States they will
be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen the United States has
great strength and patience but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies we
will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea
Rocketman is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime that is just
a taste of some of the tough talk that president Rove had for North Korea's
dictator in the past year but despite the heat the president took from his
detractors he tells Sean Hannity that such language
got Kim jong-un to the negotiating table well I think without the rhetoric we
wouldn't have been here I really believe that you know we did sanctions and all
of the things that you would do but I think without the rhetoric you know
other administration's I don't want to get specific on that but they had a
policy of silence if they said something very bad and very threatening and
horrible just don't answer that's not the answer that's not what you have to
do so I think the rhetoric I hated to do it sometimes I felt foolish doing it but
we had no choice you can see more of the president's interview tonight on Hannity
but I would take it out to the couch so I was really surprised when I heard that
interview I feel like that was the first time I heard the president say he
sometimes felt foolish saying that and to me that was the first time he kind of
admitted that maybe it is a tactic and then I act which a lot of us have
suspected but others have said no he's crazy he's all bluster but it's truly a
tactic it's deliberate it's deliberately effective so we operate on a principle
called dominus country diplomacy information military economics you could
look back at one week in the week of August of 2017 the UN Security Council
passes a resolution unanimously china-russia vote for it effectively cut
off over one-third of North Korean exports that same week you have
fire and fury rhetoric it's on Twitter you saw it in person kim jeong-hoon is
known to be homicidal not suicidal he sees that the military option is real
they were seeing it with ambassador Haley's work of the United Nations and
in her dialogue with the Russian ambassador with the Chinese ambassador
we were ramping up economic pressure we were ramping up multilateral diplomacy
the principle of dive just that's one week time and over the course of 2017
you get to the point where you enter in the 2018 Kim Jong un is looking at a
different path for his country and one that not just benefits his country and
the Korean Peninsula in that region the benefits United States the entire world
if we could bring it home Morgan you know for for foreign policy nerds like
me this is like kind of our Super Bowl I've been excited the past 24 hours for
this this is it for me and when you when you look back at what
the president did at the United Nations and that speech he gave but she got a
lot of criticism for it but it took a lot of courage to stand up in front of
the entire world and give the speech that he gave it was a very hard line but
I don't think that it's just rhetoric I think that you really started to see the
machines of the military and and other things that you would start to see
spinning up if we were going to take action that was starting to take place I
think China saw it I think North Korea saw it the South Korean saw it and I
think one of the reasons that all of this took place this took place because
moon the president of South Korea flew to the United States to meet with the
president I think that more than the North Koreans I think he was definitely
afraid of what would happen in a potential conflict because of the number
of South Korean relighting we lost well thank you Melissa yeah it's a great
point Jessica what do you think great point
majority of what you said which I don't think has ever happened to us before
nope I think the rhetoric played a part that is part of who Donald Trump is and
how expresses how whether is talking about foreign policy or domestic
knowledge and how he negotiates but I think the most credit is due to his
support system to ambassador nikki Haley to the international community also to
get together for these sanctions and to apply the proper pressure on China to
make sure that they are cutting off as much as possible in terms of what's
going to North Korea and they have always been the lynchpin
I've seen a lot of really smart articles this morning about the focus shifting
now to China and what they're gonna do with this what role they're gonna play
in drafting this agreement to make sure that they can live with it and that they
will keep North Korea in check because if anything is gonna happen in quote
secret China is gonna play a role in that so I have a question for you
congressman what do you make of the president saying that he would call off
the war games with South Korea what what what does that inform you what well
first off that's something that's easy to turn off and turn back on we still
have our troops in South Korea we're still going to work but military push
for North Korea is important for it's important for North Korea they haven't
liked the fact that this has been going on just south of their country now while
we would call it not provocative the North Koreans perceived it as
provocative sure to people off there yeah but isn't part of the problem that
he even used the rhetoric of the North Koreans calling it war green war games
those are military exercises with long-standing allies there it's not a
game and that's something that we do all over the world called it war games in
art and our militant I don't think the president United ever said that it was a
war game I would I would say one thing I would add in I mean I'm I'm a military
whatever Kim Jong un part of the process when we have a mission and we're working
together we I mean we are wargaming out scenarios of if the North Koreans you
know were to attack South Korea this is how we would morrow to react then what I
would I mean over the course of the year we do many different types of exercises
with the South Koreans if let's say we decide to pause on August and we're
still gonna work together we'll still be prepared for anything that doesn't mean
that you'll fast forward to the next exercise if things aren't going well in
North Korea we can ramp back up when a side benefit we happen to save a lot of
money those do cost a lot of money to you and and if you're going to get Kim
jong-un to sign a document as a great first step that says complete
denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula peace on the Korean Peninsula that's
good for us to get towards the second step if we don't do the next
easiest give of all the things that we could put out there that might have been
it in the meantime the president's historic moment getting a lot of jeers
and sneers in the mainstream media The Washington Post writing kim jong on
may be considered the world's greatest human rights abuser and a totalitarian
collector of nuclear weapons but as they met for the first time here Tuesday
Trump declared himself honored and CNBC reporter tweeting by allowing only their
interpreters Trump and Kim left no one who could verify that a what they agreed
to in the meeting policy experts agree this is probably bad for the world but
for Trump and Kim who both built empires on fictional narratives it is just fine
in fact it's ideal and there's much more watch a summit is not an accomplishment
for the American president the spectacle of seeing the American flags along with
the DPRK flags in fact I would say it's somewhat disgusting something else that
our own Keir Simmons reported today and share with us at 4:00 p.m. is it both
men are liars he said Kim jong-un lies they said
Donald Trump lies these are awful people and he wants to become best friends with
them this is not a date this is not gonna work this is not just
lunch you know it's not gonna work you know here's something what do you think
would I watch some of those things I mean I'm kind of embarrassed for those
people as you know great things are going on and I see Chris Matthews there
I am also reminded that it's entertainment
okay right I mean you you have your thought on it being entertainment I mean
it's it's so negative yeah yeah and if Kim jong-eun had shown up with all of
his nuclear warheads as part of his caravan showing up there would still be
opposition to the president who would be complaining well how do you know that
that's actually all of his nuclear warheads and then you can have Intel
agencies in foreign countries and and third-party organizations say no that's
all of it people still be complaining the president needs to go forward in
what what was a great first step of signing off on a complete it wasn't all
gonna happen in one down so it's a little disingenuous for
the critics to look at this and say oh we expected everything you don't even
expect that when you an elected a person to office you know they have several
years to get stuff done yeah he has opposition who had they pledged to
oppose him on everything and anything they they just want the prison to look
Morgan let me ask you it yeah and somebody was involved in in national
security security affairs it's it's sort of like you can't get to step two
without step one right you can't get to dealing with the human rights abuses or
to denuclearization without this first step if that involves getting together
and appearing together and saying these things
isn't that a necessary step to get there how can you criticize him for that
you're absolutely right Melissa and you've covered business for a long time
and I think really the way that we saw the president approach this meeting was
not the way it's certainly not typical right it's not the way typically a
president would do it or the way the foreign policy community would do it it
was the way a CEO would do it so I think typically what you would see is you
would see two CEOs come into a room agree on the big picture things and then
get into the details and so I think he's approaching this from the perspective of
where he's most comfortable and where he thinks he has the advantage I'd like to
say just one final thing to Melissa there was someone that in the clip that
you played that said that both Kim jong-un and President Trump were liars
and I think something really dangerous that's happening in the media is when
you start having a moral equivalency between President Trump no matter how
much you dislike him in kim jeong-hoon who systematically merchant murders
tortures and rapes his people and it's you know it's disgusting and it's gone
too far when they do that right totally agree with you there is no equivalency
there and I think that that is a mistake to do it and it creates a
sensationalization of this which damages everybody on both sides I would say
going back to the human rights issue and there's been a lot of hypocrisy going
around at people who criticize President Obama for even setting foot in Cuba and
not only that he stood up next to Raul Castro and he talked about human rights
abuses there was an opportunity for this president who has shown a propensity to
be chummy and quite adoring actually towards dictators all over the world to
not mention human rights abuses and I think that's a missed opportunity and
from that line of clips the one thing that really stuck out to me is a
legitimate criticism say you could have said something Wow I think that was
really jump in the shark I mean yeah you can write to say that this
president is going to do that look Japan just sat down with him and said can you
get back the 17 hostages although they don't watch the pressor words there were
Japanese it was hostages inside North Korea
people didn't think that the president was not concentrating on human rights
they wouldn't be asking for his help I watched the press conference at 4
o'clock this morning and he said that they talked about human rights may
happen when you watch yeah and he pointed out very well that they talked
about at the meeting after the document was drafted and they would have been
there all night and not signed the agreement if they had then added it to
their it was more than anyone expected or others got all right one person who
may deserve some credit for bringing nuclear North Korea to the negotiating
table his US ambassador to the United Nations nikki Haley ahead how big a part
she played in the latest diplomatic developments and how the Trump
administration's approach contrast to the Obama administration's if war comes
make no mistake the North Korean regime will be utterly destroyed
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