Q. Welcome back to the Fashion View Interviews! Today I'm with Peter Bezuijen
who is an artist and he comes from? A. From Holland, from
Amsterdam. Q.Right and you born in which year? A. I'm born in 1958. Q.1958 right... this is
a question that I normally do because I'm not really interested in the age you
have but in in how repetitive circles of different age are behaving are liking
the same kind of things... all right yeah so and when did you arrive in London?
A. I arrived in London seven years ago. I moved to London and it is a home now.
Q. We met because throughout the Instagram I stumped into your patterns... A. I had a
spontaneous hematoma so I had a brain damage accident in Greece and when I came
back and I was fully rehabilitated after a year I started painting again and I
think it's really not coincidental that it's repetition. Repetition is known to
be really calming for the brain. It's really... the brain loves repetitive habits
and patterns so that's really a part of the history and also the story of the
weave of Turkish Kalim weavers who deliberately make a mistake in their
weave mmm that basically means that only God is perfect and we humans we can't be
perfect and I'm really interested in this imperfection especially related to
my accident and my illness and I thought yeah imperfection is worth celebrating.
Q. We love patterns as you said yeah I'm very much on the page I mean I feel very
comfortable in it, I wear stripes today but you know every now and then we love
to see things we recognize us into patterns and patterns are made out of
repetition but funny when you deliver a repetition you
"by definition" you don't go anywhere... A. It is almost a circle.
Q. It is almost a circle, yeah! But as an artist my question is: do you kind of wander
into your repetition so you go and you float around and the repetition becomes
itself or you actually are interested in blending you, know, "today I'm a bit more
blue... tomorrow I will want to be a bit red..." A. yeah I
definitely control it but as less as possible. There's always a way of
controlling it, but I really am in a zone when I do it
so that's really where I want to be so it comes all very intuitive. I know, like
you said, I know I want to make a piece in blues or and I want to make a
very colourful piece. Q. And do you have a favorite color? A. Blue and blue
greens that's definitely my favorite color and but normally when I work I
choose the colour completely randomly and completely intuitive... so it's a flow
and the fact that people find it really calming to watch says a lot about the
way I make it, I produce it: when I paint I mean I am in a total calm state.... I incidentally
do a collage with Ball color and Cut Farrow, but mainly 90% of the
work is gouache on different kinds of paper.
Q. When I read your introduction to the art of repetition and the story of how
repetition started, you mentioned 2/3 times the word "textile"... and I
find it quite curious because the idea of the Fashion View Interviews is how
art, in the different aspects of art is delivered, has to do actually with fashion
or what is fashionable. A. Long long long ago I
painted on linen, I remember. That's probably 30 years ago even more I think,
but I I always considered the repetition work that I'm doing since 2015
I always thought of it it could be really interesting to translate this to
fabric. So what we did we had a limited edition of silk scarfs on
a captive sheen which is a very light silk. Q. Patterns became famous sometime
when Missoni made the "stripes" A. Yeah, it's interesting you mention it because
there was somebody who saw the work and he immediately said oh that really
reminds me of Missoni! There is yeah there is a
similarity. Q. How it could be interesting to translate a painting... I mean,
the size of your painting can be very large there is one which is 3 meter long
and the other one are fairly 20*20... that's a very various, but
in textile it changes and transforms completely! Actually, how do you
feel about the idea that your patterns are... moving? A. yeah I think that the
movement of the patterns would be really an extra dimension to it and I really
believe that the work is really strong in a 3d version of fabric and fabric
translated into fashion and being worn by people! I think that would be
really great. I think it's a great dimension to the work. Q. Would
you create the patterns differently? A. Not per shape, but maybe when it
turns out that it should have some adaptation because of the translation to
fabric. At the moment there is a British fashion brand who has translated a piece
of mine into shirts and a dress and they were really beautiful
that look really well on them on the model... Q. And
when did this happen? A. That was for this summer collection 2018, so it's
launched four weeks ago, I think. Q. Oh yeah so super! so we can write recent link?
A. Yes, if you go to Fat Face, that's the brand. CEO of Fat Face shows my work and he
wanted to use one of my works for his summer collection this year.
yeah yeah and that's really beautiful! I have mostly work in the
living room. Q. I saw you make yourself videos about you painting. A. Yeah I make little
videos of me. It's very nice yeah. Q. How did he come the idea to
make this? A. Because I try to post every day on Instagram, to keep the
work out there and tell people, the followers what I'm doing and and I
suddenly thought it would be nice to have a small little footage of me
actually doing it. And I had a pop-up gallery in New Cavendish street
and I had a table in front of the window where I was painting and people love that.
People love to see you working: so they passed by, they stop, they came in, we
had a chat. Sometimes they bought a work. That
worked really well! Q. The engaging with their art making
itself, kind of. A. You know, artists are always sort of hidden behind galleries
and in studios and and it's great for people to see an artist actually
creating his work it's especially if you're not an artist yourself. It's
beautiful to watch an artist making his work.Q. Is it is curiosity or..? A. Yeah,
I think it's curiosity, but it's also sort of mesmerizing feeling of "oh,
but that's the way how you do it!" because there's this sort of myth how artists
make oh and you possibly yeah and it's not difficult at all it's very
straightforward: you have an empty page or an paper canvas and you start
painting. That it's very simple! Q. I have remarked
watching a few of your pieces that in the repetitions somehow somewhere there
is let's say a "bigger" imperfection. So, let's say that (of course we can go
hyper-realistic, which is not the case) but, you know, if if you fairly really
want to do that stroke on and on again you perhaps you actually could, but you
don't. So at some point of the line goes... A. I allow myself and I I don't
deliberately do it, but I'm looking for the
perfect imperfection which is this subtitle of my work. And the
imperfection is actually everything that is done by human hand will be somewhere
imperfect because we're human. And I try to achieve that sort of "perfect moment"
where you can see "oh but this is where it goes wrong slightly or the slightly
movement is going down or this stroke is slightly bigger than the other one". And
if you do it in a very subtle way, you feel the human touch but you're not
looking at it like "oh! that's imperfect". It basically looks perfect and
that's the balance with which i think is really interesting in the work i do: that
what looks in the first glimpse perfect, after a closer look
it's basically imperfect and then in a perfect way. Q. Right! Now, the
repetitions is a calming soothing movement of your mind and then
translates into the paperwork and then the fashion, if applies, the drawings on
textile. But the repetitions will ever end? Do you think you will end to do repetitions,
somehow? A. What I really tend to do, what I'm looking for in the future is
monumental work, so like on buildings, big buildings, big floors of
central halls (for instance hospitals or communal buildings). And so
that will be my next step. Q. And have you move forward already? A. Yeah, there are
some ideas to research for the future. I would love to do, for instance,
tiles. That will be great to have a tiled wall in a repetition
pattern. Q. Have you ever been to Portugal to see the manufacturing? A. Yeah I have been, they're really cool in it.
So that would be the next step I think in the future. To translate it
from paper to more three-dimensional and probably monumental. yeah I think it will
be great massive building! Q. Massive scale, massive dimensions. A. Yeah, yeah I
think they will be working really well with it. Q. Fantastic!
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