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Is to strike a deal on border security the president Trump will sign before there's another government shutdown
Joining me now two members of that committee from Texas Democratic congressman Henry Cuellar whose districts
It's right on the border with Mexico
And he says he opposes any money for a new barrier and here in Washington Republican Senator John Hoeven
He says there has to be money for a wall and gentlemen, welcome to both of you to Fox News Sunday. Thanks, Chris
President Ron. Thank you
So much has been very pessimistic about the prospects that your committee is going to be able to come up with a compromising
Compromise including funding for the wall and the here he is on Thursday. I
Don't expect much coming out of the committee because I keep hearing the words that will give you what you want
But we're not going to give you all and the problem is if they don't give us a woman doesn't work without a wall
It's just a word
Senator Hoeven is this as the president has been saying this week a waste of time?
What do you think of the are the prospects the chances that you can come up with a deal?
You only got 12 days left less than two weeks to give the president something he can sign
I think the president's trying to push the process along and you know, you need to I mean, we only have until February 15
I think we can get to a solution, but it does need to include
Barrier funding it needs to include personnel technology and funding for a border barrier
Congressman Cuellar here is Speaker Pelosi this week
There's not going to be any war money in the legislation
Congressman is this a semantic game that you're not going to support a wall? But you would
support a
barrier
Where are you on that or is it the no physical barrier at all?
Well, you know certainly I want to make sure we emphasize the
Deficiencies that we might eat down there are more personnel more technology
Well, we first of all we're not gonna have a wall now. Can we look at some sort of enhance barrier?
That's something we can certainly look at, but I have to say living on the border
You have to let the local Border Patrol chief have to say so and let the local communities be involved
So they can come up with maybe maybe some sort of enhance barrier
But again Washington cannot dictate what sort of barrier and where to put it at well
Let me just make sure I understand though because a lot of the Border Patrol
People have been saying they want to see at least in some areas enhanced a barrier
So are you saying that you and the other Democrats on this conference committee could support the kind of?
Fencing we just put up some pictures of it the you know, very tall 30-foot tall fencing that the president has been talking about
No, no, no notice what I said is that
The local moral Patrol chief should make that local
Assessment of the threat and then you let the local communities have a say sure but Washington is not going to say
Is going to say what sort of barrier they're gonna have
Again, I don't believe in the wall
I think the wall of support team century solution the way the president is saying the president is
Looking at a false premise. He thinks that the only way you secure the border is by a hedge
It's an invasion like you've never seen before
You talk about heroin
90% of the heroin coming into our country. I having a wall that is a false premise
There's other ways of securing the border. Well senator Hoeven you hear you're on the same panel
Is that congressman Cuellar? Do you hear the basis for a possible deal there or not?
That's why I proposed at our meeting this week that we bring in the Border Patrol
Professionals and we're going to do that next week chairman Shelby's agreed on the Senate side
We're working to get chairman LOI to agree as well. And then we want the
including the sector Chiefs to come in and say why they need border barrier as well as
Personnel and technology and take some of the politics out of the equation
Let me continue with you senator Hoeven because president Trump suggested this week that he may just give up on
the work of your committee and declare
national emergency either
During or just after his State of the Union speech. Here he is
We will be looking at a national emergency because I don't think anything's gonna happen
I think the Democrats don't want mortar security. Listen closely to the State of the Union. I think you'll find it very exciting
senator Hoeven
Would that be a mistake for the president?
To preempt and not give you until February 15th to work out a deal and how do you feel about the whole idea of?
declaring a national emergency in the first place
One of your Republican colleagues senator Rubio says you set that precedent. You're gonna get a Democratic president someday. This is well
We need a national emergency to redirect funds on climate change
Well, the best solution is getting to one where Congress puts together a funding package for border security including all three components as I've laid
Out that is acceptable to the House the Senate and to the president. That's the best solution
There have been something like 58
Emergencies declared under the national emergency act going all the way back to 1979 and President Carter
I think 31 of those are still enforced
So I think what the president is saying is if we don't compromise and he's put compromise on the table real compromise things that Democrats
Want but if we can't get compromise on a speaker posting get to a good solution
Then he would be forced to go the national emergency route
Congressman Cuellar, we have the State of the Union speech on Tuesday
What will be the response from House Democrats in the House chamber on Tuesday if the president stands?
There with Nancy Pelosi right over his shoulder and declares a national emergency
Look what he says there's an emergency. Let me give this analogy
If you have a fire, you're gonna send the fire department right there
You're not gonna say, you know, if I don't get this I will send the fire department if yet if you don't do this
I threaten you with it with this emergency
That's not an emergency by nature the way he's been laying. This any reasonable judge is going to say this
It's not an emergency. And if you look at the emergency what he talks about, you know our border area
I live in the border. It's safer than most areas that I've used numbers before FBI stats will show that the
National murder rate is 5.3 murders per 100,000
The border cities are lower than that. In fact, Washington DC is about 3 or 4 times more dangerous
Than no rate of my hometown. So again, he knows it's not emergency. He's using the threat as
Leverage to get a wall. He's not gonna get that fourteenth-century
Solution called the wall. It's a fault a fault
Ok
Let's get off the politics both of you and let's talk about the the merits of the issue and I've got some statistics here
first of all
Let's talk about the effectiveness of physical barriers when they were put up in the Yuma Arizona sector
arrest for illegal crossings fell 94 percent in three years
From a hundred thirty eight thousand to eight thousand when barriers went up in San Diego arrests fell eighty percent in seven years
from over half a million to a hundred thousand
congressman Cuellar
you voted for
fencing in an
Appropriations bill last year, 1.3 billion dollars for fencing so why all this resistance to physical barriers now?
Well, let's look at the effectiveness and the cost-effectiveness of a wall if you put
Barriers rather than a wall, okay
Okay, let's call a barrier. But let's call it a fence. Let's go in the middle offense
Okay
If you look at the cost of let's look at the cost of one mile of technology it will cause one
to two million dollars per mile one mile of fencing
is going to cost twenty five to twenty six million dollars if you look at every border patrol chief since
Bush Obama and Trump when I've asked them this question of appropriation how much time does a fence by you?
That means how that slowed them down
They all have said quote a few minutes or a few seconds
If you look at Border Patrol in the Union the Border Patrol
Before 2012 said that a wall was useless because they can go ahead go under go
Around and rise a waste of taxpayers dollars
Let me let me bring in senator Hoeven
because the president keeps calling this a crisis and I want to look at some statistics on that and this brings up some
measures that
That congressman Cuellar talked about in 2000 the Border Patrol stopped
1.6 million people 19 years ago last year. They arrested just a quarter as many less than
400,000 and
2/3 of the new people here illegally each year or visa overstays not people who cross the border illegally
So I guess two questions
One, is there a crisis on the southern border and two whatever you want to call it? What a wall stop it
Anyway, well it is a crisis and the numbers are going back up
If you look we're now going back up to 50 or 60 thousand people coming every month
200,000 over the last four months so you can see that this number is going back up and it's not just people coming here illegally
Look at the drug flow. Look at the human trafficking gangs ms-13
this is something we've got to get a handle on and that's why you need all three components border barrier as well as
technology and personnel
it's like a three-legged stool and the Border Patrol will tell you that which is why go back to what I'm
Trying to get done and you're gonna see it happen this week Chris bring the Border Patrol
Professionals in let's hear from them what they need why they need well, okay
I'm gonna try and step back for a man with only got about two minutes left, but senator Hoeven
congressman Cuellar
Talk to each other. I mean, what's the basis for a deal? Sure. I have been to Laredo with congressman Cuellar
He is a good man, and I think we can get to a solution here
But we are going to have to have all three in a way that we can agree on
I'm certainly willing to fund personnel and technology. We've got to have some money for barrier as well
Are you willing to do all of those things congressman?
Well, I'm certainly want to sit down with with the senator John and other members because I feel that if we don't get outside pressure
The committee can sit down and work this out
appropriators or you know as you know in, Washington
There's Republicans Democrats and there's appropriators both in the house and the Senate we can we can work out a deal
I know we can sit down and work it if we just don't get in the outside pressure
do what we need to do and I feel that the the process as
appropriators houses Senate Democrats Republicans now and having these phenomenal
304,000 jobs at it and
We had so many great bumps and you know, it's been a little bit tricky because I'm in the middle
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