If I see the vajayjays in my face, I'm outta here!
On the surface, these two women
couldn't be more different.
Melanie is a conservative fashion
designer who never leaves her house unless she's covered nearly head-to-toe,
a choice she says empowers her to be herself.
I view modesty as a virtue.
Willow is a nudist whose lifestyle is
part of her business. She owns and teaches at one of the only naked yoga
studios in the country.
These two women normally would never meet,
but we're bringing them together
to talk about women's empowerment in today's world.
Will a naked yogi and a modest fashion designer find common ground?
I'm SuChin Pak and this is
Whether or not it's related to your faith, would you say you would be the
type of woman who dressed conservatively anyway?
I have this discussion with my hijab-wearing friends all the time.
It's like, what kind of non-hijabi would YOU be?
I didn't know this was a thing?
We always talk about this.
Which would you be?
I would definitely be a conservative dresser.
I view modesty as a virtue.
How would you feel about someone
who prefers to wear nothing?
How do I feel about them?
Yeah. But, I mean, just even encountering that.
[laughs] What to do?
It would be a sensory overload.
I would be so aware of myself and, like, what I'm saying and
where my eyes are.
It would be the worst.
I'd feel so uncomfortable.
That was awesome meeting Melanie.
I'm not sure she's prepared to meet a nudist.
We're about to meet Willow, who is a nudist
and also a naked yoga instructor.
Now, I'm not quite sure that I'm ready for naked yoga, but it'll be interesting
to see her point of view.
How did all this start?
You know, did you like wake up one day
and you're like, 'Today...I leave the house with no clothes!'
'Today is the day!'
No, um...
I grew up in a very conservative, body-negative environment.
Nudity was not okay in the home.
We didn't do any of that.
But I was super rebellious,
so I was always challenging all the things that I was raised to believe.
In college I did like — I modeled nude for a photography shoot.
I would pose nude for this sculptor.
I would go to his home like once a week, you know,
his wife would bring us tea and it was just like, 'Oh this is totally normal. This
is not weird at all!'
On a basic level, being naked just feels so much better.
Yeah.
Where do you feel the most
yourself?
In what environment, you know?
I mean... in my naked classes.
There's nothing covering you up. There's nothing to keep you safe in that way.
It is, I think, it's an incredibly vulnerable experience.
Folks who want to cover up and be very conservative,
the reason why it doesn't work for me is because I don't feel like
I own that.
I find more safety and comfort in my own naked space.
It'll be interesting to get the two of them together and see if there is common
ground and where there's not.
Today is the big day that we get Melanie and Willow
together and I thought it would be nice to host it in my home to give us, you
know, just a level of comfort.
I think I'm a little more anxious today because
there's someone else I haven't met and it's like this big secret and I'm like,
'Oh! Who is she gonna be? I don't know!'
I am bit nervous. Melanie, her reaction to the thought of
naked strangers is so dramatic and I definitely don't want Willow to feel in
any way judged, but there is still some nervousness there.
This is not something that happens to me daily.
Or ever.
Hi! How are you?
Melanie this is Willow.
Hi, nice to meet you.
Hi. How are you?
Melanie is co-founder of
a company called Haute Hijab.
Willow is the founder of Naked In Motion.
She teaches naked yoga and she's a nudist.
Melanie, you sit here. Willow, you sit here.
Thank you.
Okay, so first of all, thank you guys so much
for being open to just meeting strangers.
Yeah!
And then knowing that
potentially a stranger that doesn't necessarily share your viewpoint on life.
On paper it's like these women couldn't be more different.
You both come from pretty conservative households,
and yet, you express yourself as adults
in different ways.
Actually, I thought you were gonna be nude right now.
I was like, 'Wait! Is she naked in there?'
'If I see vajayjay's in my face, I'm outta here!'
I'm like literally crying.
Yeah.
This is the reaction.
Yeah.
Do you get that reaction from people when you tell them
that you're a nudist?
I think it's just a common misconception.
I mean like if I was going to like a restaurant or something and I expected
everyone to be clothed and there was a random person who was naked, I would
also be shocked because I wouldn't expect that, you know?
Right.
So I think that's totally understandable.
Before I started my naked yoga group, I think I had been to like maybe a couple
of events where I was slowly experimenting with social nudity.
It felt very natural to me because I am so interested in challenging what I think
the world expects me to do or do with my body or to present myself to the world.
I do feel most empowered in my own classes.
I understand what you're saying in that
for you it's not a sexual thing, but the way in which
women are looked at by men,
particularly without clothes,
is in a sexual manner.
So me putting my hijab on every morning
and wearing clothing that covers my skin —
what I'm doing every day is I'm making a conscious decision to privatize my
sexuality.
It's interesting that you say that. I don't really find
a really strong link between whether or not
I'm clothed and whether or not someone is
treating me with respect.
I would say that I've had
like non-consensual or negative interactions,
both in that nude environments and also when I am in like
the middle of winter wearing a puffy coat and scar, you know what I mean?
Like, what's the difference in that experience, you know?
I think it really is being able to control the narrative.
To control who can see what when.
I'm not going to do what society expects of me
and dress the way society tells me I should dress.
I can totally relate to it.
Yeah. It's so crazy.
Because as you were speaking, I'm like, 'Yeah! Right on!'
Yeah! It's funny. It's just like the opposite.
Yeah. That's amazing.
Are you surprised
at where you are now, versus
maybe some of the fears you guys had walking into this?
I'm totally inspired by you.
Yeah. Same.
For real.
No. Absolutely.
It's so eye-opening to me.
She's close to signing up for the class right?
You can feel it.
Sounds like it!
You know, I would keep my bottoms on, but...
I would be open to trying it.
[gasps]
If it was all female!
Oh my gosh! Okay. Okay.
So you could leave your hijab on if you wanted.
Like, that's totally fine.
That would be so bizarre if I left my hijab on.
If you wanted to though, you could.
I was a little apprehensive at first because I
didn't know what to expect, but I'm now leaving a more informed
person and I'm also really excited to keep in touch with her.
I was surprised just how much we had in common.
What a cool woman she is.
Oh, man. If you came to class I'd be like
so excited!
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