JUDY WOODRUFF: Over his lengthy public career, Ehud Barak has served as prime minister of
Israel, as its defense minister, foreign minister and military chief of the general staff.
He is a longstanding supporter of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and of the two-state solution.
He is in New York tonight to speak to American supporters of those efforts.
When I spoke with him earlier this evening, I began by asking how he sizes up relations
between the Trump White House and Israel.
EHUD BARAK, Former Israeli Prime Minister: I think it's close relationship.
But Israel is still waiting for the Trump program or plan for the regional kind of negotiation
and for the -- how to move forward with the Palestinians.
Basically, the president made an impact in the Middle East when he basically said, leave
aside for the time being nurturing democracy or dealing with human rights.
Let's focus on fighting terror and countering the Iranian hegemonic nuclear intention.
That was his basic message to the Sunnite moderate countries and to Israel.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, let's take some of these issues one by one.
I mean, the president, the administration faces a deadline this weekend in saying whether
it does or doesn't want to see the U.S. Embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
What do you expect them to do and what do you think they should do?
EHUD BARAK: OK, this deadline comes every half-a-year or probably every year.
We, as Israelis, want to see not just the American Embassy, but all embassies in our
capital, in Jerusalem.
And we would love to hear the president announce that that what is going to do.
But, for some reason, American presidents in the last 30 years always announce the good
relation with Israel, but never made the step.
Let's wait and see.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, we are seeing some early reporting in the Associated Press that what
this administration may do is simply say they recognize Jerusalem is the capital, but not
yet move the embassy.
EHUD BARAK: We know that it is the capital of Israel, and it's always good to hear it
from other nations, especially from America, which is the leading power on Earth.
But the real test is ultimately in action.
And we wait for the right time.
And we hope it will be early that the embassy will move to Jerusalem.
I think it's proper.
JUDY WOODRUFF: You mentioned a moment ago relations between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
President Trump has said it's a priority of his.
He's asked his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to oversee this.
Do you see any progress at all?
Is it even doable?
EHUD BARAK: I cannot know.
There is a lot of work done underneath the surface.
Jason Greenblatt visited the area many times.
Jared Kushner visited our neighbors.
And every Israeli and Palestinian and every neighboring leader has been addressed.
The question is at what stage they will provide a plan which has a chance to win the support
or at least to be a starting point for negotiations by both sides.
That is still a question.
As I understand for anyone who talked to the Americans, they are serious about proposing
a plan, but let's wait and see.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Another issue, of course, is the Iran nuclear deal.
This has been an ongoing issue for this administration.
You have urged President Trump not to decertify this deal.
And yet you yourself has long been a harsh critic of Iran.
How do you explain that?
Why should he not decertify?
EHUD BARAK: I was very hawkish about Iran at the time, probably more hawkish than Bibi
or anyone else in our government.
It is a bad deal, no doubt about it.
But once the deal has been signed, it is a done deal.
Even if America decertifies it or pulls out for it, the rest of the signatories are there.
Iran might enjoy both benefits and both the legitimization to break out when they decide
to based on the fact that America pulled out of it.
So, I don't think that it's helpful technically.
I think that Iranians are bad guise guys and their plans are very bad, and a way should
be found to tackle the Iranian challenge.
But that's probably not the way, especially now, when there's a need, I believe, to drag
North Korea into a certain kind of compliance, probably backed by China, Russia and the United
States.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Right.
EHUD BARAK: So, it will be quite questionable.
Once America pulls out or questions the Iran deal, how can you convince the North Koreans
to enter a new one?
JUDY WOODRUFF: Syria.
General Barak, now that the war there is winding down, with President Assad still very much
in power, influential roles being played by Russia and by Iran, how threatened should
Israel be by a postwar Syria?
EHUD BARAK: We are worried about the Iranian possible deployment very close to our border
in the Golan Heights and by their effort to establish a plan to produce highly accurate
missiles for Hezbollah in Syria.
We will do whatever it takes to stop them from developing the kind of advanced weaponry
plant in Syria for the Hezbollah or move advance technologies into the hands of Hezbollah,
as well as we keep the rights to respond whenever anything happens on the Golan Heights initiated
by the Iranians.
We hope that the Russians, being basically a stabilizing power now in Syria and in the
region, to take responsibility and to make sure that that won't happen.
But only time will tell.
JUDY WOODRUFF: But just very quickly, Israel is more threatened by this Syria today than
it was by Syria before the war?
EHUD BARAK: I don't think so.
I think, before the war, the combination of the Syrian army, probably about 10 heavy divisions,
thousands of artillery pieces, many thousands of tanks, probably thousands of advanced jets,
and especially earlier, some years ago, with Iraq with some 30 or 40 divisions, this was
a real threat.
Nowadays, we are facing a different threat.
It's mainly the missiles and rockets of the Hezbollah, probably, in the future, the missiles
and rockets from Syria as well, and the activity along the border, which is kind of a low-level
terror, but something that can deteriorate very easily, as we saw in the past.
So, it's a different threat.
We will -- never can underestimate any threat.
We cannot afford to ignore any one of them.
But in terms of military threat, the heavy divisions were probably a heavier threat.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, thank you very much.
EHUD BARAK: Thank you, Judy.
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